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Old 01-08-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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According to the stats, many more Italian immigrants seem first-generation in either Canada or Australia than the USA. It seems that speaking Italian among those having the ancestry is proportionally higher in Canada and Australia too.

Did the waves of Italian immigration to the United States start earlier and stop sooner? Why did it seem that Canada and Australia proportionally got greater numbers of Italians in the postwar period, such as the '60s, while Italian-American immigrants seem to be mostly earlier than that? Were there political or social reasons for this? Did the source of the immigrants differ?
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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According to the stats, many more Italian immigrants seem first-generation in either Canada or Australia than the USA. It seems that speaking Italian among those having the ancestry is proportionally higher in Canada and Australia too.

Did the waves of Italian immigration to the United States start earlier and stop sooner? Why did it seem that Canada and Australia proportionally got greater numbers of Italians in the postwar period, such as the '60s, while Italian-American immigrants seem to be mostly earlier than that? Were there political or social reasons for this? Did the source of the immigrants differ?
I think you will find the USA's 1924 immigration act had a lot to do with it. Effectively it reduced Italian immigration to the USA to a trickle, they were forced to look elsewhere.

I will quote wiki not the best source I know.

"Italian migration to Australia increased markedly only after heavy restrictions were placed on Italians' entry to the United States. More than two million Italian migrants entered the United States from the start of the 20th century to the outbreak of the First World War, whereas only about twelve thousand Italians had entered Australia in the same period. In 1917, while war was still on, the United States introduced a Literacy Act to curtail its immigration flow—which had reached a high number in the years immediately before the war—and Canada enacted similar legislation two years later. In 1921, United States policy became even stricter, with the establishment of a quota system that limited the total intake of Italian immigrants in any one year to about 41,000 (calculated as 3% of the number of Italians residing in the United States in 1910). Furthermore, in 1924, the figures related to the entry of Italians were cut almost to zero, as they were meant to represent the 2% of the Italian component in the United States in 1890."

Italian Australian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Until very recently, Italy was the second main overseas country of birth of Australians after Engalnd, and Italian was the dominate second language.

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Old 01-08-2014, 05:57 PM
 
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Hmm... So it seems like Italian immigrants that could have gone to the USA did end up going to Australia.

This is interesting. I didn't realize that the USA was harder on Italian immigrants than Australians. Also, I noticed some relative newness in Italian-Canadian communities too (eg. young 20-30 year olds that spoke Italian to parents, which is more rare in the US).
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Australia
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White Australian policy.

Italians and Greeks weren't seen as whites, so they weren't allowed to immigrate to Australia. It changed later though.

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Old 01-08-2014, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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White Australian policy.

Italians and Greeks weren't seen as whites, so they weren't allowed to immigrate to Australia. It changed later though.
What? Well they were less desired than Northern European, particularly British immigrants, but they were still considered 'white', which is why they immigrated during the interwar and post-war years, when Australia still had the white australia policy. To be sure, they did face prejudice.etc, but now they're pretty integrated. It's the Asian immigrants that were mostly restricted during the WAP, which is a large reason their numbers only surged after the WAP was abolished in the late 60s/70s.

It's mainly the older Italian immigrants, born in Italy, who speak Italian as their first language, although some of their children speak it to them. There are quite a few second/third generation Italians who can't even speak any Italian here.
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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According to the stats, many more Italian immigrants seem first-generation in either Canada or Australia than the USA. It seems that speaking Italian among those having the ancestry is proportionally higher in Canada and Australia too.

Did the waves of Italian immigration to the United States start earlier and stop sooner? Why did it seem that Canada and Australia proportionally got greater numbers of Italians in the postwar period, such as the '60s, while Italian-American immigrants seem to be mostly earlier than that? Were there political or social reasons for this? Did the source of the immigrants differ?
Significant Italian migration to Australia only started in the 1880s and followed a chain migration patten, with relatives following one another over several years. You need to remember that in 1900 modern Australia itself was a nation of less than 4 million people, that could trace its own (European) history back for not much more than a century. It was so far away from the old world that most migrants never saw their homeland or the relatives they left behind again. In comparison, the US was a large country not far from the "old countries".
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Significant Italian migration to Australia only started in the 1880s and followed a chain migration patten, with relatives following one another over several years. You need to remember that in 1900 modern Australia itself was a nation of less than 4 million people, that could trace its own (European) history back for not much more than a century. It was so far away from the old world that most migrants never saw their homeland or the relatives they left behind again. In comparison, the US was a large country not far from the "old countries".
Still, how many of these immigrants ever returned to the 'old country'? It was still a long and costly voyage by ship across the Atlantic in those days.

I think our more recent immigration from other places makes us feel more multicultural than America.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I wonder about the period of industrialization. Canada generally industrialized some time after the US did. Italian immigrants weren't into rural homesteading - they were after city jobs.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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I wonder about the period of industrialization. Canada generally industrialized some time after the US did. Italian immigrants weren't into rural homesteading - they were after city jobs.
Italian immigration prior to WWII was actually quite rural. Many Italians bought land in rural areas, and to this day many rural enterprises are run by Italian families who have been there a few generations. Italians were important in the fruit growing industry, the growing of olives, a lot of the wine industry.etc.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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Italian immigration prior to WWII was actually quite rural. Many Italians bought land in rural areas, and to this day many rural enterprises are run by Italian families who have been there a few generations. Italians were important in the fruit growing industry, the growing of olives, a lot of the wine industry.etc.
With a few exceptions, this was not really the case in Canada.
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