Is Tokyo not on the level of London and New York already ?
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There is social housing in every London borough including Central London boroughs. Ecen places like Chelsea have social housing schemes such as the Worlds End.
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I know, but it's still far more expensive than Tokyo's public transport. A monthly pass for Tokyo metro (all lines) is 173,000 Yen, which translates to 112 GBP, whereas a monthly pass for London tube (all zones) is 340,70 GBP. It's 3 times as expensive and Tokyo's average net wage is pretty much the same as London's.
Your £340.70 includes Fare zones 7–9 which are ancillary zones of the Travelcard and Oyster card fares scheme managed by Transport for London, used for calculating fares from some stations outside Greater London. London is already twice the size of NYC without including zones outside of the Greater London area. So it's only a reasonable comparison for those who actually don't live in London. Most of Central London is covered by Zones 1 & 2.
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Yes, there are affordable eateries everywhere, but the average restaurant prices for a simple meal in London is like 15 GBP, whereas in Tokyo it's like 7-8.
London has a very diverse food and restaurant scene, and you can get a simple meal relatively cheaply. Indeed if you want a very cheap meal just go to one of London's vast array of markets.
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Maybe, but it could also be that their housing situation is better.
The Japanese population is predicted to decline significantly, so the pressure on housing will be far less than in cities which have growing populations.
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That's why I said developed Asia, which includes Japan and the 4 tigers only. These cities are in developing Asia and they are incredibly screwed-up.
Okay.
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I'm not bashing NYC and London. It's just a fact that things like rent, transporation and restaurants are much much cheaper in Tokyo.
I am not bashing Tokyo, it's a great city but it is not as diverse as many other global cities.
Meanwhile, the most dangerous cities in the United States (St. Louis and Baltimore) have comparable rates to cities in third world countries, and are rankable among the most dangerous cities in the world. As President Trump would say, "Sad."
Baltimore is a classic tale of two cities. The good parts of it are beautiful and have a good deal to offer for a mid-sized city. But unfortunately, the crime situation is out of control in the poor parts of the city. Criminals and drug dealers are killing each other.
Baltimore needs to learn from New York City how to get its crime down dramatically.
There is social housing in every London borough including Central London boroughs. Ecen places like Chelsea have social housing schemes such as the Worlds End.
And how's the wait list?
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Your £340.70 includes Fare zones 7–9 which are ancillary zones of the Travelcard and Oyster card fares scheme managed by Transport for London, used for calculating fares from some stations outside Greater London. London is already twice the size of NYC without including zones outside of the Greater London area. So it's only a reasonable comparison for those who actually don't live in London. Most of Central London is covered by Zones 1 & 2.
The 112 GBP in Tokyo covers stations outside Tokyo city proper as well, and Greater Tokyo is far larger than Greater London. It's not even remotely close.
Why can't you just admit that the London tube is the most overpriced public transport system in the world?
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London has a very diverse food and restaurant scene, and you can get a simple meal relatively cheaply. Indeed if you want a very cheap meal just go to one of London's vast array of markets.
This discussion is not about diversity or some specific cheap places to eat. On average, dining out is far less expensive in Tokyo than in London. That's just a fact.
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The Japanese population is predicted to decline significantly, so the pressure on housing will be far less than in cities which have growing populations.
Japan's population is on decline, but Tokyo's population is growing.
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I am not bashing Tokyo, it's a great city but it is not as diverse as many other global cities.
The 112 GBP in Tokyo covers stations outside Tokyo city proper as well, and Greater Tokyo is far larger than Greater London. It's not even remotely close.
Why can't you just admit that the London tube is the most overpriced public transport system in the world?
The Tube is not overpriced, you knock a third of the price by buying an Oyster Card, and there are other concessions available.
Thanks to careful planning London now has a transport system that is fit for purpose, with both Crossrail and Thameslink both due to be completed in 2019 and a tube network that has been totally upgraded, and which has superb new rolling stock witjh more on the way.
Furthermore has already explained London Transport does NOT make a profit, all money is either ploughed back in to the system (67% of the fare you pay) or used to imporive the system through new schemes (33% of the fare you pay).
If only cities such as NYC followed such policies then they might not find themselves in the situation they are now, where they have a crumbling infrastructure, poor service and are going to be forced tro put up fares.
This discussion is not about diversity or some specific cheap places to eat. On average, dining out is far less expensive in Tokyo than in London. That's just a fact.
I thought we were talking about the prices
There are restaurants that cater for all tastes and budgets in London and we have cusine freom every country in the world and we are not just talking about prices we are talking about choice. Which is just as important in terns of food.
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Japan's population is on decline, but Tokyo's population is growing.
Japan's population is facing such a demographic crisis that Tokyo will not be ummune.
The Tube is not overpriced, you knock a third of the price by buying an Oyster Card, and there are other concessions available.
Thanks to careful planning London now has a transport system that is fit for purpose, with both Crossrail and Thameslink both due to be completed in 2019 and a tube network that has been totally upgraded, and which has superb new rolling stock witjh more on the way.
Furthermore has already explained London Transport does NOT make a profit, all money is either ploughed back in to the system (67% of the fare you pay) or used to imporive the system through new schemes (33% of the fare you pay).
If only cities such as NYC followed such policies then they might not find themselves in the situation they are now, where they have a crumbling infrastructure, poor service and are going to be forced tro put up fares.
It is overpriced. Ask any resident in London or tourists. They will tell you it's overpriced.
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There are restaurants that cater for all tastes and budgets in London and we have cusine freom every country in the world and we are not just talking about prices we are talking about choice. Which is just as important in terns of food.
Tokyo has plenty of diversity regarding food. It's not all Japanese. It's the city with the most Michelin stars in the entire world.
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Japan's population is facing such a demographic crisis that Tokyo will not be ummune.
It is overpriced. Ask any resident in London or tourists. They will tell you it's overpriced.
I am in London.
As for your map you posted of the Greater Tokyo Area it seems to show an area akin to the entire South Eastern Region of England or the entire Midlands region, indeed Tokyo must have some subway to cover that distance especially when you consider the Tokyo Subway only has 11 lines and 285 stations. I think you are confusing national and regional rail with that covered by the subway and are therefore not comparing like for like.
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Tokyo has plenty of diversity regarding food. It's not all Japanese. It's the city with the most Michelin stars in the entire world.
Tokyo is not diverse in the same way London, Paris or NYC are, it hasn't had mass immigration and the food generally reflects the native population.
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It is still growing for now. This discussion is not about Tokyo's future in 50 years. Japan will open up to immigration eventually anyway.
The entire population of Japan is going to reduce by a third and this will include Tokyo.
The Londonist did a comparison between the London system and Tokyo system.
What it found was that Tokyo unlike most cities is spresd out with numerous centres rather than a central area like London, and that tavelling is extremely complicated.
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