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Old 01-29-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Canada has not changed it's abortion laws, still totally legal. Prostitution is also legal in Canada, although it had some restrictions regarding living off the avails of prostitution and brothels, the Supreme Court recently declared them unconstitutional. The gov't has to come up with new laws in regards to that ruling. Might be similar to what's happening in some states in Australia at the moment.

While we are on the topic, Sex clubs are also legal in Canada. Back in 2005 a new ruling made it so.
From Canada.com
" Swingers clubs that feature group sex and partner-swapping are legal because they cause society no harm, the Supreme Court of Canada said Wednesday in a ruling that rewrote the definition of indecency."

and if this isn't a liberal viewpoint I don't know what is.

"The 7-2 majority said the new determining factor will be whether the sexual behaviour in question causes harm, replacing the previous yardstick that the act must offend community standards of tolerance.
"Moral views, even if strongly held, do not suffice," wrote Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin.

"As members of a diverse society, we must be prepared to tolerate conduct of which we disapprove."

I have no idea the status of these clubs in the other countries mentioned in this thread. ( I said status, I have NOT been to one of these clubs in Canada or anywhere )
Great post

let's see how others compare - still haven't seen anything to counter
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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It's the constitution, it's Mabo, it's just...the vibe.
Denny Denuto? Is that you?
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Originally Posted by Natnasci View Post
Canada has not changed it's abortion laws, still totally legal. Prostitution is also legal in Canada, although it had some restrictions regarding living off the avails of prostitution and brothels, the Supreme Court recently declared them unconstitutional. The gov't has to come up with new laws in regards to that ruling. Might be similar to what's happening in some states in Australia at the moment.
To fill in a few details, Canada has no abortion laws, and there are no plans to put any in place. Which means that abortion is, as Natnasci put it, totally legal.

As regards prostitution, and in very general terms, it is not illegal to be a prostitute; to "sell sex," in other words. What is illegal is for someone to "manage" prostitutes, and to make money off their earnings. Additionally, it is illegal to seek out sex, and be willing to pay for it. This means that the "johns" will be prosecuted, but not the prostitutes themselves. Obviously, this is very easy to see on the street, and police will investigate if they see a car pull over to speak with a scantily-clad woman who has been standing there for the past half-hour.

But it is not so easy to see if the customer calls an escort service, and this is where prostitution is tacitly allowed. The only rule is "outcalls only," which translates to "the escort will visit you in your hotel room," which sidesteps the rule about bawdy houses and brothels. Of course, not all escort calls involve sex--some men really do want a young lady as a dinner companion, or they need a date to a function like a wedding (for example, the gay guy who has not come out to his family yet). Providing services like this legitimize the business to a degree. But for the most part, "escort" equals "prostitute," and what two consenting adults agree to on the phone and later do behind closed doors, is regarded as nobody's business but theirs.

The Supreme Court ruling does not take effect for a year. We will have to see what Parliament comes up with in that time.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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To fill in a few details, Canada has no abortion laws, and there are no plans to put any in place. Which means that abortion is, as Natnasci put it, totally legal.

As regards prostitution, and in very general terms, it is not illegal to be a prostitute; to "sell sex," in other words. What is illegal is for someone to "manage" prostitutes, and to make money off their earnings. Additionally, it is illegal to seek out sex, and be willing to pay for it. This means that the "johns" will be prosecuted, but not the prostitutes themselves. Obviously, this is very easy to see on the street, and police will investigate if they see a car pull over to speak with a scantily-clad woman who has been standing there for the past half-hour.

But it is not so easy to see if the customer calls an escort service, and this is where prostitution is tacitly allowed. The only rule is "outcalls only," which translates to "the escort will visit you in your hotel room," which sidesteps the rule about bawdy houses and brothels. Of course, not all escort calls involve sex--some men really do want a young lady as a dinner companion, or they need a date to a function like a wedding (for example, the gay guy who has not come out to his family yet). Providing services like this legitimize the business to a degree. But for the most part, "escort" equals "prostitute," and what two consenting adults agree to on the phone and later do behind closed doors, is regarded as nobody's business but theirs.

The Supreme Court ruling does not take effect for a year. We will have to see what Parliament comes up with in that time.
I heard brothels are illegal in Canada, like legal ones. I don't get why, brothels would offer a safer environment than private escorts and be easier to regulate.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I heard brothels are illegal in Canada, like legal ones. I don't get why, brothels would offer a safer environment than private escorts and be easier to regulate.
Brothels are illegal, as things currently stand. Whether they will be after Parliament passes legislation based on the recent Supreme Court ruling remains to be seen. (Note that I have not yet read the Supreme Court's decision, so I don't know the extent to which it will affect brothels.)

I'm no expert in patronizing escorts (I never have; but I know the current law and the legalities in this area, and that's about it), but I would guess that the safety of the escorts is left to the escorts themselves. If they were to get a call asking them to go to the Royal York in Toronto (a five-star hotel), they would probably not worry. If they got a call for the Airport Comfort Inn, they might have a few concerns. If they got a call for the Hotel Rundown, in the bad part of town, they might decline. They are business people, and do not have to take advantage of every opportunity that comes along, unless they want to.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Brothels are illegal, as things currently stand. Whether they will be after Parliament passes legislation based on the recent Supreme Court ruling remains to be seen. (Note that I have not yet read the Supreme Court's decision, so I don't know the extent to which it will affect brothels.)

I'm no expert in patronizing escorts (I never have; but I know the current law and the legalities in this area, and that's about it), but I would guess that the safety of the escorts is left to the escorts themselves. If they were to get a call asking them to go to the Royal York in Toronto (a five-star hotel), they would probably not worry. If they got a call for the Airport Comfort Inn, they might have a few concerns. If they got a call for the Hotel Rundown, in the bad part of town, they might decline. They are business people, and do not have to take advantage of every opportunity that comes along, unless they want to.
Yes, there's more of a risk, I suppose, although even in a brothel there's risk too.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Racial diversity is not necessarily the most meaningful measure of human diversity. African-Americans have their own culture but it is basically integrated into mainstream American culture.

In Canada you basically have 25% of the country that is *virtually* like a foreign country to the rest of Canada. And that's just the main example.
You have no idea how foreign parts of the southwest including Southern California can be at times.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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North America seems to have the most liberal abortion laws, or at least until recently. Prostitution laws are more liberal here, it's legal in Australia and NZ.
It's legal in the US state of Nevada. Regulated but legal.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Great post

let's see how others compare - still haven't seen anything to counter
Hey, don't pull a muscle there patting yourself on the back (…lol)!

Just like in the U.S., certain parts of the country vary, oftentimes a lot! And there's a big difference between laws on paper, and the reality. For example maybe none of you folks in 'progressive' Toronto have ever been to Calgary, which even Stormfront mentions is the Hate-Crime Capital of Canada (yee-hah, eh)!
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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How is it even possible to compare the US to Australia, NZ and Canada using these criteria? The US has over 300 million people. Canada has slightly fewer people than California and Australia's is about where Texas' is. The same dynamics simply are not there. Not saying there are none but if anyone thinks a country who's population doesn't even equal the most populous US state, then claim the US doesn't seem so diverse like I've seen in this thread and take themselves seriously, has already made up there minds and cannot be engaged in dialog.

Here's an example. Not the best but it works for now.

Racism. Has been brought up a lot here. None of these countries have had to deal with racism on the level the US has, period! Wanna argue that? After slavery ended in the US, there were 100 years of segregation, the English vocabulary word for apartheid. To the best of my knowledge, NZ, AU nor Canada had anything similar. The USA is the only country I can think of that saw the same types of racial clashes and violence as South Africa had.

This alone puts the US in a different category when it comes to social issues and society as a whole. There are many other factors that distinguish the US from those countries. So to ask which is the most liberal really isn't fair. Is the US the least liberal because overall it lacks some things those countries have? Or is it the most liberal because states and jurisdictions are allowed freedom to make their own laws like two states legalizing pot and one allowing prostitution?

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