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Old 01-28-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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It's not just immigration, but globalization, exchange, and counter-exchange of culture.

For instance, several hundred years ago prior to European colonialism, most people who spoke English were of English descent. Those who spoke Spanish were of Spanish descent. Those who spoke French were of French descent.

Nowadays, you can't tell based on looks alone who speaks English, who speaks Spanish and who speaks French. If you saw an Afro-Caribbean person looking person with dark skin and curly hair, they could be a French-speaking Haitian, English-speaking Jamaican or Spanish speaking Dominican.

Generations ago, you could assume that most people who ate sushi were Japanese.
Nowadays, if a couple, one of which was blond and one of which was black-haired sat down to eat in an American restaurant, you can't tell based on looks alone who would order the sushi and who would order the steak.

In the future, fewer and fewer first impressions will be accurate about a person's culture without knowing them in person because people can adopt an aspect of a culture from anywhere, regardless of who their ancestors are, or even where they were born (especially with mass media, encounter with friends/family living elsewhere etc.). Physical appearance will be less and less accurate a way of telling a person's cultural identity. People will have to get used to this.

Do you agree?
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:22 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Well, if by "judging culture" you're referring to telling folks ethnicity and ancestry mostly by their appearance, language, dress, etc., then I'd agree. But anthropologists have been suggesting we're all eventually gonna become "one race" anyway, and so maybe you're right that we need to broaden the definition of "culture", as more about the underlying values, customs and world view, than simply "appearances".

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Old 01-29-2014, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Well to an extent, I think you're mostly referring to the nations with lots of immigrants, particularly the New World nations including Australia and New Zealand. Some European countries like the UK and France too. On the other hand, most Asian nations seem to retain some identity in terms of language/ancestry, although even within these nations, there is a mini-globalisation, a nationalism. The spread of Mandarin in China to non-Mandarin areas like Fujian, Guangdong, Xinjiang, Heilongjiang, Tibet, Yunnan is one example of this. Even the decline of Occitan in southern France or Basque in Spain and France, or the decline of Xhosa at the expense of Bantu/Zulu tongues.
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:42 AM
 
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You are correct. Whether it's a good or bad thing, is for another thread.

Growing up in California, this has always been my experience. But now it's occurring in Europe at an alarming rate.
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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Not exactly news in the Western world.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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^ ^ Dunno about being "news", but racial and cultural "differences" still matter a lot, even in many 'western' parts of the world!

CNN 1/06/14: New York man charged with hate crimes for seven 'knockout' assaults.

UK Mirror: Police across the country record surge in anti-Muslim hate crimes in 2013
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Old 05-09-2014, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Originally Posted by markovian process View Post
It's not just immigration, but globalization, exchange, and counter-exchange of culture.

For instance, several hundred years ago prior to European colonialism, most people who spoke English were of English descent. Those who spoke Spanish were of Spanish descent. Those who spoke French were of French descent.

Nowadays, you can't tell based on looks alone who speaks English, who speaks Spanish and who speaks French. If you saw an Afro-Caribbean person looking person with dark skin and curly hair, they could be a French-speaking Haitian, English-speaking Jamaican or Spanish speaking Dominican.

Generations ago, you could assume that most people who ate sushi were Japanese.
Nowadays, if a couple, one of which was blond and one of which was black-haired sat down to eat in an American restaurant, you can't tell based on looks alone who would order the sushi and who would order the steak.

In the future, fewer and fewer first impressions will be accurate about a person's culture without knowing them in person because people can adopt an aspect of a culture from anywhere, regardless of who their ancestors are, or even where they were born (especially with mass media, encounter with friends/family living elsewhere etc.). Physical appearance will be less and less accurate a way of telling a person's cultural identity. People will have to get used to this.

Do you agree?
Yes, I do agree and believe that it's a good thing, ultimately, because it will force us to really get to know an individual and not rely upon dated stereotypes and assumptions.
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Old 05-09-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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Of course. You can't reverse race mixing
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Old 05-13-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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While what you say is true on average, within individual countries, stereotypes can be strong and even contradict stereotypes in other countries.

In the U.S., Africans from Africa and Caribbean blacks have a reputation for being highly educated and upper-class. The reverse is true in Canada.

In the U.S., Jews are stereotyped as being nerdy, pasty white with a distinctive nose and curly dark hair. This kind of Jew is a minority in Israel where everyone has to do military service and Jews come in all shades of skin tone.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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While what you say is true on average, within individual countries, stereotypes can be strong and even contradict stereotypes in other countries.

In the U.S., Africans from Africa and Caribbean blacks have a reputation for being highly educated and upper-class. The reverse is true in Canada.

In the U.S., Jews are stereotyped as being nerdy, pasty white with a distinctive nose and curly dark hair. This kind of Jew is a minority in Israel where everyone has to do military service and Jews come in all shades of skin tone.
Pasty white? Is that a stereotype? Many well known American Jews I can think of are distinctly olive skinned. Jeff Goldblum looks pretty Middle Eastern. I've also met Jewish Americans many are darker like Italians, although some might be pale because they're mostly of European ancestry.
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