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Old 02-07-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Lol. Are you serious? Either you give your opinion or let a Guatemalan give theirs if not then it is a mute point!

You don't speak for a nation!
"moot" point.

Just responding to the OP's post. "It depends on whom you talk to", as I said. It's a discussion forum. People can, and do, speak from their experience, and don't need others' approval to do so. Happens all the time. That's how forums work.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Palestine -- Israel
Britain didn't split Israel from Palestine, in fact we were against the creation of an Israeli State and abstained from the UN Vote. It was the US who pushed for the establishment of a Jewish state in 1947 and not Britain. Britain even warned Truman of the problems that partition of Palestine would cause and the disharmony it would cause in the Arab world. Truman ignored Britain, who in heavy financial debt to the US following WW2 abstained rather than voting against Truman's plan. It should be noted that the British had considerable knowledge of the area being there as part of a League of Nations Mandate a forerunner to the United Nations. In essence Britain's role was the equivalent today of a UN Peacekeeping force from WW1 through to the end of WW2 when we were relived of the unpopular mandate by the newly formed United Nations.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whilst in terms of India, as has already been mentioned, Civil Wars saw the establishment of new states following Britain's withdrawal and we had little to do with these events.

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Old 02-07-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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The UK seems to an expert in breaking up countries which would otherwise be a united nation.

For example, before exiting, it HAD to do something to break up India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

What are the other countries Britain deliberately split into several smaller countries?

Nigeria
Ireland
Iraq
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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Quite honestly, under the current circumstances I wouldn't worry too much about the countries that the UK "intentionally broke up."
I'd worry more about the countries that they've had constructed; namely - Iraq, and then have forgotten to mention it to Americans. Sort of no courtesy call before the invasion - "just to let you know guys, that such country as "Iraq" actually never existed, so all these Shias and Sunnies gathered in one spot ( and Kurds, don't forget the Kurds,) you might find our creation slightly inconvenient for your upcoming trip."
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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Uruguay from Argentina.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:50 AM
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Britain didn't split Israel from Palestine, in fact we were against the creation of an Israeli State and abstained from the UN Vote. It was the US who pushed for the establishment of a Jewish state in 1947 and not Britain. Britain even warned Truman of the problems that partition of Palestine would cause and the disharmony it would cause in the Arab world. Truman ignored Britain, who in heavy financial debt to the US following WW2 abstained rather than voting against Truman's plan. It should be noted that the British had considerable knowledge of the area being there as part of a League of Nations Mandate a forerunner to the United Nations. In essence Britain's role was the equivalent today of a UN Peacekeeping force from WW1 through to the end of WW2 when we were relived of the unpopular mandate by the newly formed United Nations.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whilst in terms of India, as has already been mentioned, Civil Wars saw the establishment of new states following Britain's withdrawal and we had little to do with these events.
Great Britain caused the mess in Palestine by making conflicting promises to different groups of people (Balfour Declaration, McMahon-Hussein Correspondence, etc.) and then backing out and letting the United Nations make the final decision. Also don't forget that from the original area of Palestine - the area east of the Jordan River, the British broke off in 1922 and gave to the Hashemite family in order to create the new country of Jordan (or Transjordan as it was called at the time). The UN Partition Plan was only for the Western part of the area known as Palestine.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Great Britain caused the mess in Palestine by making conflicting promises to different groups of people (Balfour Declaration, McMahon-Hussein Correspondence, etc.) and then backing out and letting the United Nations make the final decision. Also don't forget that from the original area of Palestine - the area east of the Jordan River, the British broke off in 1922 and gave to the Hashemite family in order to create the new country of Jordan (or Transjordan as it was called at the time). The UN Partition Plan was only for the Western part of the area known as Palestine.
We changed our mind due to the fact we had terrorists on both sides trying to kill our soldiers, it also should be remembered that a number of British soldiers were killed, that there was Anti-Jewish rioting in some cities in the UK and the Palestine Mandate was very unpopular with people back home.

In the end we decided, that mass Jewish immigration to Palestine was only going to make the problem worse, so attempted to stop ships reaching Palestine and set up internment camps on Cyprus in the hope of averting yet more tension and hostility between the local Arab population and Jewish.

In the end we announced we were giving up the League of Nations Mandate (a type of UN peacekeeping role) although many believe it is a role we should never have taken on. We did hand over control to the UN, however we did warn that from our own bitter experience, which included changing our minds in relation to the peace and stability of the region with regard to the partitioning of Palestine. We did tell the UN of our experience and the dangers of bitter and increasing Arab and Jewish tension destabalising the entire region for decades to come, and we consequently abstained from the UN Vote, and can not be held responsible for the UN vote in 1947.
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:36 AM
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We changed our mind due to the fact we had terrorists on both sides trying to kill our soldiers, it also should be remembered that a number of British soldiers were killed, that there was Anti-Jewish rioting in some cities in the UK and the Palestine Mandate was very unpopular with people back home.

In the end we decided, that mass Jewish immigration to Palestine was only going to make the problem worse, so attempted to stop ships reaching Palestine and set up internment camps on Cyprus in the hope of averting yet more tension and hostility between the local Arab population and Jewish.
Great Britain changing its mind doesn't change the mess its government caused. Sending back ships of Jews that arrived at the Palestinian shoreline during WWII to Europe meant that the British Government sent those passengers to the German death camps. The lucky ones were the ones that were interned in Cyprus. After causing the mess the British Government left the United Nations to make the decision in the area and with a 2/3 majority the vote to establish a Jewish and Arab states was passed in the UN General Assembly. The fact that Arabs didn't accept it and waged war instead has caused the Palestinian Arab problem until this day. But that that doesn't change Great Britain's actions using both sides (Arab and Jew) during WWI to help capture the region from the Ottoman Empire and then not being able to handle the outcome which is still going on today.
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Old 02-08-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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Great Britain changing its mind doesn't change the mess its government caused. Sending back ships of Jews that arrived at the Palestinian shoreline during WWII to Europe meant that the British Government sent those passengers to the German death camps. The lucky ones were the ones that were interned in Cyprus. After causing the mess the British Government left the United Nations to make the decision in the area and with a 2/3 majority the vote to establish a Jewish and Arab states was passed in the UN General Assembly. The fact that Arabs didn't accept it and waged war instead has caused the Palestinian Arab problem until this day. But that that doesn't change Great Britain's actions using both sides (Arab and Jew) during WWI to help capture the region from the Ottoman Empire and then not being able to handle the outcome which is still going on today.
But-but-but...
Didn't the US send a thousand Jews that German captain delivered to the US shores, to safety you know, back to Europe? (In this case no Palestine with revolting Arabs was even needed.)
Did you ever wonder what happened to them?
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