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Old 03-07-2014, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Most British hatred in relation to previous recent generations was directed at the Germans for obvious reasons. It was largely the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and Germans who started WW1 with their bullying of the Serbs in to a position where the Russians felt obliged to go to their defence and the whole of Europe became embroiled in a bloody conflict, and the Germans also take most of the blame for WW2. The Russians on the other hand were on our side in WW1 and during WW2 they suffered horrendous casualties at the hands of the Germans, and there was a great deal of sympathy for the 20 million Russians who perished, whilst the Russians didn't exactly have it easy under leaders such as Stalin, and again many people felt some sympathy for the average Russian citizen.

Saying that certain countries really dislike the Russians such as Poland and other East European Nations, but Britain was always far enough away from Russia to avoid too much contact. Our hatred was traditionally aimed at the French, with the two nations often acting in a very childish way, with anything disgusting or sexual being labelled French and vice versa. Thankfully today it's all a bit more tongue in cheek and we do actually secretly like each other deep down.

If you examine hatred it's usually your nearest neighbour that you hate most, whether it be sports teams or countries, however the one obvious exceptions are war and imperialism. Then again British Imperialism was often based on trade and made the upper classes in countries a good deal of money, so they were often quite happy with it, and the British have a good relationship with most Commonwealth countries.

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Old 03-07-2014, 03:33 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I remember when George Bush sent our military to Afghanistan in response to 9-11 there were anti-American riots all over the world and people burning US and British flags. It was even worse after the Iraq war when we reasonably believed Saddam Hussein assisted in 9-11 and had WMDs (he might well have had them and given them to Syria). Likewise the world loves to criticize Israel and there were anti-Israeli protests when they attacked Lebanon in response to terrorists firing rockets from there and kidnapping Israeli soldiers across the border.

WHere are the people protesting at Russian embassies and consulates today? The Russian invasion of Ukraine did not create the kind of worldwide popular uproar that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars did. Yes the NATO leaders are threatening sanctions against Russia but there are no massive anti-Russian protests in Germany, Italy, France, Japan, China, Brazil or Mexico. People are not burning Russian flags in the streets, not even in other countries formerly oppressed by the USSR like the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and part of Germany.

Even historically I don't think the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was condemned as heavily as the Vietnam War or the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip. Why is this?
Because Russia is not fighting in the Crimea.
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Historically the USSR was a colonialist empire. The republics other than the current Russian Federation were all basically colonies and occupied countries that were either incorporated into the USSR after World War II or during the Russian Empire period. This includes Ukraine which was forced to become part of the Soviet Union and was colonized by ethnic Russians. There are also decendents of Russian colonists in the Baltic states, Kazakhstan, and all the former Soviet republics. This is actually why there are ethnic Russians in Ukraine even though Ukraine should be for ethnic Ukrainians only the way France is for the French and Britain is for the British, Israel is for Jews, and China is for the Chinese etc etc etc.
You are mistaken. Ukraine and Russia have a very old and quite friendly story. Many years ago, Kiev was the capital of Russia. The eastern part of Ukraine - it is actually Russian.
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:39 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Also wonder why Russia is the largest country in the world? They basically colonized Siberia and killed most of the indigenous Eskimo tribes but little of this iss mentioned, even though the world trashes the US about our Indian reservations and the Indian wars. Native Americans are treated much better than indigineous people in Siberia. Native peoples in Russia do not get to own casinos or be exempt from taxes. I'm pretty sure of that.
How did you hear about this?
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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I remember when George Bush sent our military to Afghanistan in response to 9-11 there were anti-American riots all over the world and people burning US and British flags. It was even worse after the Iraq war when we reasonably believed Saddam Hussein assisted in 9-11 and had WMDs (he might well have had them and given them to Syria). Likewise the world loves to criticize Israel and there were anti-Israeli protests when they attacked Lebanon in response to terrorists firing rockets from there and kidnapping Israeli soldiers across the border.

WHere are the people protesting at Russian embassies and consulates today? The Russian invasion of Ukraine did not create the kind of worldwide popular uproar that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars did. Yes the NATO leaders are threatening sanctions against Russia but there are no massive anti-Russian protests in Germany, Italy, France, Japan, China, Brazil or Mexico. People are not burning Russian flags in the streets, not even in other countries formerly oppressed by the USSR like the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and part of Germany.

Even historically I don't think the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was condemned as heavily as the Vietnam War or the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip. Why is this?
The US has more pro-active approach in advancing their own interests in the world, hence their activities are spotted all over the globe, while Russia usually not so much "acts" but "reacts," and her actions ( promoting/defending her own interests) are usually quite localized only in surrounding areas.
That's why the anti-Russian sentiment is strong only in the near-by areas, where the dislike for the US in this respect is global.
I would guess that the "burning of British flags" in recent times was only the result of Gr. Br. hitching its wagon to the US policies - that's all to it.

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Old 03-07-2014, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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You pick on the kid who will wail and scream about being picked on. That's part of the fun.

When you pick on Russia, it just ignores you.
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Old 03-07-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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You are mistaken. Ukraine and Russia have a very old and quite friendly story.
Ever single Ukranian I've ever met hated Russia in a way I've never seen someone hate another country before. Coincidence? Perhaps. But I've never seen that level of hate directed at a country in my life. I remember saying to a Ukrainian girl that Ukrainians are similar to Russians; that girl never spoke to me again, ever, no matter how much I apologized. Just a coincidence? Could be.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Ever single Ukranian I've ever met hated Russia in a way I've never seen someone hate another country before. Coincidence? Perhaps. But I've never seen that level of hate directed at a country in my life. I remember saying to a Ukrainian girl that Ukrainians are similar to Russians; that girl never spoke to me again, ever, no matter how much I apologized. Just a coincidence? Could be.
Ever talked to Balts?
So you are missing on a thing or two in this respect.
But that doesn't mean that closest ties between Russia and Ukraine are not historic fact, as much as Ukrainians chanting now "Russia, Russia" in the East of the country. You just didn't happen to meet any of THEM - that's all to it.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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Ever single Ukranian I've ever met hated Russia in a way I've never seen someone hate another country before. Coincidence? Perhaps. But I've never seen that level of hate directed at a country in my life. I remember saying to a Ukrainian girl that Ukrainians are similar to Russians; that girl never spoke to me again, ever, no matter how much I apologized. Just a coincidence? Could be.
My family is Ukrainian (still live there), and do not hate Russians at all. Many Ukrainian families have one or more Russians in their family.

They are similar to Russians, in culture, history, and language.

Also, have you ever been to Ukraine? Intermingled and lived among them for a long period of time in a few places around the country?
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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My family is Ukrainian (still live there), and do not hate Russians at all. Many Ukrainian families have one or more Russians in their family.

They are similar to Russians, in culture, history, and language.

Also, have you ever been to Ukraine? Intermingled and lived among them for a long period of time in a few places around the country?
There's really no need to feel so defensive.

As stated twice, "it could be coincidence". I am in no way, shape, or form making a generalization of Ukrainians feel about Russians, and I am not in no way claiming to be an expert on their relations. Repeat: My experiences with a handful of Ukrainians may or may not reflect a larger anti-Russian feeling amongst Ukrainians.
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