U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Old 03-13-2014, 03:52 PM
Location: East coast
613 posts, read 1,053,131 times
Reputation: 326


Because Middle Easterners are still portrayed as somewhat "new" or recent immigrants, I actually am surprised to read about how deeply established some Middle Eastern diasporic communities are, such as Turkish or Lebanese, which go back a century or more. Most Lebanese communities in the New World, from countries ranging from the United States to Brazil and Argentina, were actually mostly Christian, not Muslim and they immigrated during a time when there were more Christians in the Mid-east.

Many immigrated to western countries very early on, when the Ottoman empire was still around too. North African and Arab immigration actually has some history in nations like France going back generations and is not necessarily a "new" thing.

(Of course, I'm not counting migration links between the Middle east and the European "West" that go all the way back, whether it be the experience with the crusades in the Middle Ages to Greek and Roman classical antiquity and even before, to the Mediterranean origins of the "west" as we call it as a civilization.)

Yet, it seems like Middle Eastern immigration is quite a new thing in many western countries. I noticed in New York city, halal food carts appeared around the 2000s. In the '90s it was still hot dog stands. I know many who still think of kebab or tahini sauce as more exotic than even sushi or Chinese or Italian food. There wouldn't be so many tensions (like Cronulla beach or controversies with profiling in New York City) if Middle Eastern-descended westerners weren't at least seen as newcomers rather than long established folks.

Are Middle Eastern communities seen as old or new in your part of the world? In the US, it seems like they seem newer than many of the older 19th to 20th century immigrants like Italians, Germans, Irish, etc. and often first or second generation but another issue I have heard is that Middle Eastern communities earlier on were more Christian so they settled more easily with other Christians and blended in more, and that what we see now is a more recent wave that is more visibly Muslim which stands out more (eg. women wearing headscarves etc.). In the US, we have a lot of recent immigration to places like Michigan and California from the Middle East and some of that seems new.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old 03-13-2014, 03:59 PM
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
20,694 posts, read 22,343,945 times
Reputation: 3107
Not really and I don't consider Turkish people as middle eastern.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-13-2014, 04:10 PM
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
16,409 posts, read 29,229,788 times
Reputation: 16592
Well, I'm from Michigan and I would say they're very well established there.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.

Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:51 PM.

© 2005-2022, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top