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Old 02-19-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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South Florida can get quite cold in winter though, and doesn't have a monsoonal whether pattern (yes I realize some consider it a 'semi-monsoonal' climate), so it is quite different than tropical locations in places like Indonesia, Malaysia or northern Aus. And a few very small locations in the US are classified as 'savanna', but they too are quite different than the large scale savanna environments you find in Africa or Aus.

If you're including external territories, for Australia you'll need to include locations like Heard and McDonald Islands even if they don't have a large permanent population. They do have an Antarctic climate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heard_...Donald_Islands
Lmao, South Florida does not get “quite cold” in then winter.

It has a variety of Tropical Savanna, Tropical Rainforest, and Tropical Monsoon climates under Koppen

“And a few very small locations in the US are classified as 'savanna’”

Um...there’s an entire region of savanna located in the center of the country known as “the Great Plains”. It’s not a small area, and it includes a variety of Subtropical and Temperate biomes, and a vast array of differing climates.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:01 PM
 
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Yes but what about the Amazon? What about the Caribbean? What about the Tropical Savannah? What about the Andean Paramo? What about Andean Pine forests and sub-tropical forests? What about Coral reefs? What about Guiana Shield & its table mountains?
Deserts Colombia has, grand plains/prairies Colombia has, bayou/marshes and mangrove Colombia has, Yardangs Colombia has, even glaciers be it minute ones but they are there. My question to you is why is the Paramo discounted? Why is the tropical savannah discounted? Why are Coral reefs discounted? etc. ...Is more importance given to other biomes?

In any case I partially agree with you but I doubt most people have the faintest idea of the level of diversity. Something that can only truly be appreciated by experiencing it first hand. Even Americans AND Indians living in Colombia themselves will admit they have never experienced the level of diversity they have whilst in Colombia. Colombia has more freshwater than all of India held in its Paramo, snow capped Andes, snow capped Caribbean coastal mountains, glacial lakes, marshes, lagoons and rivers. I have actually shown testimonies, although of course its anecdotal its still valid to a point. I've been all over the US, have you visited Colombia?
America has Tropical Savanna, Coral Reefs, a vast amount of Subtropical forest,
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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America has Tropical Savanna, Coral Reefs, a vast amount of Subtropical forest,
Savanna yes, Tropical Savanna like the Serengeti or the Llanos mmmm don't think so.
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Maybe Mexico is. Mexico has large areas of both desert and tropical forest and wetland. It has a long range of mountain cordillera, with forest, and a full coast of ocean in both sides. And flat-land cities where it snows every year.

Mexico has so many diverse eco-habitats that it leads the world in number of species of reptiles (except Australia, a zoological outlier).
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:03 PM
 
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Mexico has so many diverse eco-habitats that it leads the world in number of species of reptiles (except Australia, a zoological outlier).
Mexico is definitely diverse but if we're talking about biodiversity;

In bird species Colombia is 1st in the world, nearly 800 more species than Mexico which places substantially behind in 11th.
In Amphibian species Colombia is 2nd, Mexico again substantially behind in 7th.
In Reptile species Colombia has 300 less than Mexico that places 2nd, however, Colombia places 4 places behind in 6th.
In Mammals Mexico places 4th and Colombia 2 places behind.

But more importantly in plants Colombia has a whopping 25,000 more species than Mexico, practically double!

Its no doubt that Colombia is the most biodiverse corner of the planet and this can be seen in its fruit, vegetables, horticulture and animal species. In the world only Brazil has marginally more overall due to being 8 times the size of Colombia.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Montville, Connecticut
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Short answer, no.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:50 AM
 
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Mexico is definitely diverse but if we're talking about biodiversity;

In bird species Colombia is 1st in the world, nearly 800 more species than Mexico which places substantially behind in 11th.
In Amphibian species Colombia is 2nd, Mexico again substantially behind in 7th.
In Reptile species Colombia has 300 less than Mexico that places 2nd, however, Colombia places 4 places behind in 6th.
In Mammals Mexico places 4th and Colombia 2 places behind.

But more importantly in plants Colombia has a whopping 25,000 more species than Mexico, practically double!

Its no doubt that Colombia is the most biodiverse corner of the planet and this can be seen in its fruit, vegetables, horticulture and animal species. In the world only Brazil has marginally more overall due to being 8 times the size of Colombia.
But Colombia doesn't have diverse habitats, it has a huge amount of the single habitat that favors plants and birds, and isolated montane habitats that encourage tiny ranges and insular specialization.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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But Colombia doesn't have diverse habitats, it has a huge amount of the single habitat that favors plants and birds, and isolated montane habitats that encourage tiny ranges and insular specialization.
It's almost impossible to have such high bio-diversity in such a comparatively reduced space without habitat diversity.

Tiny ranges? The Andes in Colombia cover the size of Italy and dissect the entire country from North to South in 3 main ranges. The Eastern Andean range in fact nearly matches Mexico's largest range in area, Sierra Madre Occidental, not to mention taller too.

Deserts, Montane Glaciers, Bayou/Marshes, Mangrove Paramo, Coral Reefs, Yardangs, Pine forests, Tropical Rainforest, Sub-tropical Woodland, Deciduous forests, Canyons, Salt Flats, Volcanoes, Tropical Savanna, Mixed Woodland, Glacial lakes, Coral Reefs, Grand Plains and Plateaus, the Guyana shield and its table mountains can all be found in Colombia all within the frame of 5 major geological bodies; Caribbean, Amazon, Andes, Pacific and Llanos.
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Mexico is definitely diverse but if we're talking about biodiversity;

In bird species Colombia is 1st in the world, nearly 800 more species than Mexico which places substantially behind in 11th.
In Amphibian species Colombia is 2nd, Mexico again substantially behind in 7th.
In Reptile species Colombia has 300 less than Mexico that places 2nd, however, Colombia places 4 places behind in 6th.
In Mammals Mexico places 4th and Colombia 2 places behind.

But more importantly in plants Colombia has a whopping 25,000 more species than Mexico, practically double!

Its no doubt that Colombia is the most biodiverse corner of the planet and this can be seen in its fruit, vegetables, horticulture and animal species. In the world only Brazil has marginally more overall due to being 8 times the size of Colombia.
I think counting by number of species is misleading since many of the species are closely related as well as extremely small making it easier for specialization opening up more niche habitats. Also something to consider is that tropical environments will almost always have a higher biodiversity than the more poleward environments.

Considering it's harsh northern climate I Primorsky Krai in Southeastern Russia is some of the most biodiverse habitat.

Cats:
Siberian Tiger
Amur Leopard
Eurasian Lynx

Bear:
Ussuri Brown Bear
Ussuri Black Bear

Deer:
Ussurian/Amur Moose
Manchurian Sika Deer
Siberian Roe Deer
Siberian Musk Deer

Goat:
Long-Tailed Goral

Pig:
Ussuri Boar

plus many more for instance among the 690 species of birds inhabiting the territory of the former USSR, 350 are found in the Primorye.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primor...lora_and_fauna

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Old 05-06-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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It's almost impossible to have such high bio-diversity in such a comparatively reduced space without habitat diversity.
Not really. All you need is a lot of isolated pockets of tropical rainforests, so you can have innumerable endemisms within small but extremely rich environments, which is in what Colombia excels considering all the mountains and valleys crossing the country.

You can have temperate deciduous forests, pine forests, grasslands, plateaus, moorlands, taiga, tundra, shrublands, salt pans, savannahs, whatever, but if the tropical rainforest is not there, the sheer number of species will always get severely limited.
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