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Old 08-13-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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Finland, population registered by native language 2000 vs 2013, selected languages:

Portuguese: 478% increase
Estonian: 420% increase
Polish: 351% increase
Spanish: 309% increase
Italian: 250% increase
Greek: 231% increase

Of course, kids from mixed marriages are most usually registered as Finnish or Swedish speakers, and these are mostly 1st generation immigrants.
Is this internal migration to Northern Europe, especially Germany + Nordic countries, making that area the melting pot of Europe, much in the same way the Eastern U.S. was in the late 19th and early 20th century?
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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Is this internal migration to Northern Europe, especially Germany + Nordic countries, making that area the melting pot of Europe, much in the same way the Eastern U.S. was in the late 19th and early 20th century?
No i guess its pretty even i think. In pre recession times there were even more People going the other way around especially senior citizens. Nowadays its rather a brain drain but in absolute numbers the migration is not really that high.
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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No i guess its pretty even i think. In pre recession times there were even more People going the other way around especially senior citizens. Nowadays its rather a brain drain but in absolute numbers the migration is not really that high.
Yeah, but seniors aren't marrying others and having children, right? So even if net numbers from south to north end up evening out, if it is the young migrating to the north, that's where the population growth should happen due to future births.

The way it is explained, it is as if Spain/Southern Europe is becoming Florida (a giant senior center), but, to be fair, Florida has decent economic prospects and is growing in important fields like bio-medicine.

Then again, European birth rates are below self-replacement, so the fact that the young are going north and the old south, might not make much of a difference. (?)

[This is all theorizing on my part, so input on the reality of things is greatly appreciated.]
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Is this internal migration to Northern Europe, especially Germany + Nordic countries, making that area the melting pot of Europe, much in the same way the Eastern U.S. was in the late 19th and early 20th century?
Melting pot is maybe a bit exaggerated, at least here, but you hear definitely more Spanish or Polish on the street that I heard in the early 2000's. Mixed marriages are also very common, it's quite normal to hear "my father is Greek" or "my mother is Spanish" these days.

In high school I had an English-Finnish friend from London, an Italian-Finnish friend from Turin, and a Greek-Finnish friend from Thessaloniki.
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Yeah, but seniors aren't marrying others and having children, right? So even if net numbers from south to north end up evening out, if it is the young migrating to the north, that's where the population growth should happen due to future births.

The way it is explained, it is as if Spain/Southern Europe is becoming Florida (a giant senior center), but, to be fair, Florida has decent economic prospects and is growing in important fields like bio-medicine.

Then again, European birth rates are below self-replacement, so the fact that the young are going north and the old south, might not make much of a difference. (?)

[This is all theorizing on my part, so input on the reality of things is greatly appreciated.]
Its not like millions of People are migrating, its more like Ten-thousands. And the birth rates of south european countries are mostly higher than in the north. I guess there might be a million people More in the north than in the south in Ten years. But thats not really a significant number. But i think without the language barrier it could have been a problem.
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Old 08-13-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Are more people leaving than migrating to UK? I wonder the net inflow/outflow of Brits.

loads of people leave UK, but more migrate to it than away. Also alot of people who leave return and form part of the net inflow. This inflow fluctuates between say 250,000 in 2010 and 170,000 in 2012.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:17 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Also, the UK ranks high on the list of countries of origin for arriving immigrants to Australia (as does France for Quebec), but the UK ranks far down the list for Canada and the US on this front.
Well anywonder, they make it so bloody impossible.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:18 AM
 
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Well anywonder, they make it so bloody impossible.
Yeh, but its fairly easy for folk from the UK to migrate to Australia because of our focus on skilled migration ... and within three years of arrival over a third return home, followed by more later.... Seems like a pretty expensive way to have a working holiday.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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I would say that Israel is a developed/Western-style country that gets immigrants from other developed/Western-style countries.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:19 PM
 
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Few Australians really emigrate to another country
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Not many Australians move to NZ and UK (a reminder that Australians travel to the UK for study and whatnot, but rarely they 'emigrate' there).
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