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Old 02-03-2015, 02:17 AM
 
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LMAO now canada the home of suburbias and shopping malls have better public transportation than european cities? LMAO
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Old 02-03-2015, 06:33 AM
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LMAO now canada the home of suburbias and shopping malls have better public transportation than european cities? LMAO
Canada has a similar public transit use to France once Paris is excluded. Canada might be similar to some parts of Europe, though not overall.
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:22 AM
 
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Canada has a similar public transit use to France once Paris is excluded. Canada might be similar to some parts of Europe, though not overall.
Very hard to imagine that cities like Lyon, Marseille or Lille would have the same rate as Calgary or Edmonton. Maybe some French person could shed light on this.
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Very hard to imagine that cities like Lyon, Marseille or Lille would have the same rate as Calgary or Edmonton. Maybe some French person could shed light on this.
Part of the difference is France (especially once Paris is excluded) is more rural / small town than Canada, whose cities are relatively large (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are larger than any French city excluding Paris). My impression of provincial France is a lot of the jobs migrated to the suburbs, so while the average French neighborhood may be more pedestrian friendly, public transit use is about the same. Here's Canadian transit use by metro (city numbers make no sense because places like Vancouver only includes 30% of the metro while Calgary includes 90%, so it would create a misleading gap):

Table 1.a Proportion of workers commuting to work by car, truck or van, by public transit, on foot, or by bicycle, census metropolitan areas, 2011

I don't know how to get data for transit use by French city.
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Overall, 7.5% of commuters use public transit in provincial France.

Insee - Territoire - Une illustration des usages du recensement : les dplacements domicile-travail
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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Overall, 7.5% of commuters use public transit in provincial France.

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But note, 8% walk and 4% bikes.

Nationwide stats are difficult, in cities the situation is different. I hardly believe 8% of provincial Canadians walk to work.
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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Check this out:

http://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/d...rt_CGP_JMP.pdf

You have data for French cities starting at page 18. Then data for other world cities too.

Eggshell colour is private car. Purple is public transit and blue is cycling.

Note that walking is not in the mix. This is for "mechanized" modes which includes cycling.

A city like Lyon has a 15% or so transit share on this chart which is about the same as Calgary.

But if you include all modes including walking it changes the picture quite a bit as Lyon (like most French cities we can assume) has a significant number of trips that are taken on foot. Something like a third.

Which is much more than a Canadian city like Calgary.
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But note, 8% walk and 4% bikes.

Nationwide stats are difficult, in cities the situation is different. I hardly believe 8% of provincial Canadians walk to work.
They don't; check the link on Canadian metros. Only three have walk shares above 8%, most much less. The three that do (Halifax, Victoria and Kingston) are rather small and I know Halifax and Victoria are unusually compact with better city centers for their size for North American standards.
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But if you include all modes including walking it changes the picture quite a bit as Lyon (like most French cities we can assume) has a significant number of trips that are taken on foot. Something like a third.

Which is much more than a Canadian city like Calgary.
Yes, in dense European cities you can't definitely not exclude walking.

For example here in Turku those who don't use public transport in commuting, 20% walk and 10% bike in winter, during summer 10% walk and 29% bike.
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Check this out:

http://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/d...rt_CGP_JMP.pdf

You have data for French cities starting at page 18. Then data for other world cities too.

Eggshell colour is private car. Purple is public transit and blue is cycling.

Note that walking is not in the mix. This is for "mechanized" modes which includes cycling.

A city like Lyon has a 15% or so transit share on this chart which is about the same as Calgary.

But if you include all modes including walking it changes the picture quite a bit as Lyon (like most French cities we can assume) has a significant number of trips that are taken on foot. Something like a third.

Which is much more than a Canadian city like Calgary.
Thanks. Though it shows Paris with a 30% public transit share while the link I posted had a 43% public transit commute share. So those numbers are all trips from the commute % so not directly comparable to the Canadian numbers. People who don't drive often in denser neighborhoods where they do a lot of non-commute trips on foot, while those that do drive do more of those by car, so looking at all trips and excluding walking will always make cars have a higher share.

From page 19, it looks like French cities besides Paris are on the low end of European cities by transit use. Helenski and Copenhagen are on the higher end, Oslo on the low side. Stockholm isn't shown. Rather interesting that northern European cities, which don't look as dense as southern European cities, have similar or lower car use to southern European ones. Though southern European cities probably would have more walking, though it seems like they don't bicycle there, so perhaps walking + bicycle might be similar.

From pages 20-21 showing developing world cities, do you where they include motorbike? They're a big transportation mode in developing world cities. I assume with automobile?
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