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Old 11-03-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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Well, I am Indian American. I'd say that the cultural differences between Indians and most African Americans are pretty significant. Most Indian Americans are highly educated and affluent for one thing.

However, there are more similarities between Indians and black people from Africa. Some of the foods are similar and I know many Africans who watch Bollywood movies and stuff like that. Ethiopians especially seem to have a considerable Indian influence, but I guess that goes for a lot of other Africans as well. Indians and Africans who immigrate to America place a high value on education, etc.
I'm Black, have two master's degrees and not poor. And even if I was poor and uneducated, does not make the distinction for the whole entire ethnicity. You are being racist for making the distinction between Indians and African-Americans as being financial and about education. Is that what distinguishes us? What the hell..there are plenty of Indian people I know that are poor and undereducated, and it doesn't make any difference on how I look at the Indian culture or people because of it. I do not look down at them because of it, because that's morally wrong.

You remind me of one of my relatives who is African-American, who married an Indian woman recently...and her family tried to disown her for marrying him...on top of that, her family was being dismissive of my family at the wedding, even though his father and sisters were all doctors. Ah, Indian folks taking time to be very racist like yourself is something more common that not, huh?

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Old 11-03-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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I'm curious as to what "race" does everyone consider indians?

and why they never got the classification as "black" when they too come in the same shades as the people do in Africa
You are right a lot of african america, african, etc...lighter than some indians.
In india, they consider themselves as tanned white people.
Black isn't just about your skin color that's why we dont call indians black.

Another thing, in history being black didn't mean to have a dark skin or something but it changed with time.
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Old 11-03-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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I'm Black, have two master's degrees and not poor. And even if I was poor and uneducated, does not make the distinction for the whole entire ethnicity. You are being racist for making the distinction between Indians and African-Americans as being financial and about education. Is that what distinguishes us? What the hell..there are plenty of Indian people I know that are poor and undereducated, and it doesn't make any difference on how I look at the Indian culture or people because of it. I do not look down at them because of it, because that's morally wrong.

You remind me of one of my relatives who is African-American, who married an Indian woman recently...and her family tried to disown her for marrying him...on top of that, her family was being dismissive of my family at the wedding, even though his father and sisters were all doctors. Ah, Indian folks taking time to be very racist like yourself is something more common that not, huh?
Well, I apologize if my statement sounded racist. I know a lot of African Americans who are much more educated and wealthier than I am. And I would not disown anyone in my family who married an African American.

Having said that, it is factually true that Indian Americans as a whole place a higher value on achieving higher educational goals compared to African Americans. It's not a fair comparison at all because the two groups come from entirely different backgrounds and historical circumstances. But it is one of the reasons why the cultures are so different in this country.

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Old 11-03-2014, 12:48 PM
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Having said that, it is factually true that Indian Americans as a whole place a higher value on achieving higher educational goals compared to African Americans. It's not a fair comparison at all because the two groups come from entirely different backgrounds and historical circumstances. But it is one of the reasons why the cultures are so different in this country.
But neither Indian American nor African Americans are reflective of Indians or Africans worldwide.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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I'm sorry but this is too US-centric a view. I appreciate the struggles of blacks in the United States, but at the same time you're not the centre of the universe and the term "black" predates your country and has international meaning and relevance in many other countries and other struggles. To overly focus on the African-American experience is to ignore the experiences and cultures of millions of other people in other areas of the world. What you have described is the definition of African-American, not black, and they are not the same thing.

But of course, you are correct that Indians are not black.
When talking about the struggle of black people in America, it is justifiably a US-centric view, which is the only view that matters in this struggle. If you are not from the US, you must understand this, or be incredibly ignorant and part of the problem.

Experiences and cultures of millions of other people in other areas of the world is a SEPARATE discussion and topic. How absurd to suggest otherwise, as a means to dilute the experience of black Americans whose treatment continues to represent America's greatest shame.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:13 PM
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When talking about the struggle of black people in America, it is justifiably a US-centric view, which is the only view that matters in this struggle. If you are not from the US, you must understand this, or be incredibly ignorant and part of the problem.

Experiences and cultures of millions of other people in other areas of the world is a SEPARATE discussion and topic. How absurd to suggest otherwise, as a means to dilute the experience of black Americans whose treatment continues to represent America's greatest shame.
Huh? This is the world forum, so it is the main topic, the struggle of black people in America wasn't the main topic of the thread.
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:40 AM
 
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Not sure what you're second paragraph is about actually very baffled by it. You appear to be arguing with me. Whether someone is black it doesn't mean they are close to each other genetically. The Andamese would be far closer to a person from Thailand than they would be to any African population.
I think the new Western intellectual insistence on genetic proximity is somewhat strange. At no point in human history has anyone ever said "hey I'm not going to go to war with you because we're almost genetically identical." Chimpanzees are still being dissected alive in spite of the fact that they share over 90% of the DNA of humans. Now that Westerners have admitted they made up race they want to start some other arbitrary way of grouping people. At the end of the day people make bonds based on cultural proximity coupled with physical appearance. Perhaps you are confused so let me make it clear that genetic proximity is of little import to me or most people on the planet. You and I both know that Thais would not embrace Andamese people.
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Old 11-04-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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I think the new Western intellectual insistence on genetic proximity is somewhat strange. At no point in human history has anyone ever said "hey I'm not going to go to war with you because we're almost genetically identical." Chimpanzees are still being dissected alive in spite of the fact that they share over 90% of the DNA of humans. Now that Westerners have admitted they made up race they want to start some other arbitrary way of grouping people. At the end of the day people make bonds based on cultural proximity coupled with physical appearance. Perhaps you are confused so let me make it clear that genetic proximity is of little import to me or most people on the planet. You and I both know that Thais would not embrace Andamese people.
I'm just giving the genetic information. It doesn't really matter what people feel about these sort of subjects I'm just giving the facts. I'm not really interested in arguing about the politics of the situation. I didn't reply to the thread to get into a deep discussion. You appear to want an argument which I don't.

You're welcome to your opinion but all I've done is reply on the genetics of populations in India.
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Old 11-04-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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I'm curious as to what "race" does everyone consider indians?

and why they never got the classification as "black" when they too come in the same shades as the people do in Africa
Because they aren't black?
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Old 11-05-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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Indians have straight hair. Africans and their descendants usually have curly hair, unless they've purposely straightened it.
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