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Old 02-10-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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The relationship between France and the U.S. is based on our mutual support in revolutions that were based on similar themes of liberty and equality, and the viability of republic forms of government arising from enlightenment philosophy.

On a more practical level, yes, the American system is much more derivative of British legal and governmental forms.

France in the air, Britain on the ground.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Yep. Not patriotic.

I think you and I have both agreed that "America the beautiful" should be your national anthem.
I totally agree with this. It's my favorite song about our nation's beauty - and glory.

On that terrible day of 9/11, our local churches spontaneously filled at noon, and then again around 6 pm. They were packed with strangers in fact. People from surrounding neighborhoods streamed into the churches, and it didn't even seem to matter what denomination the church was.

One of my most poignant memories is of standing shoulder to shoulder in a church packed with fellow Americans I had never met, and singing this beautiful song together. There was hardly a dry eye in the place, but when we reached the lines about "alabaster cities" the entire audience literally choked up and the song nearly stopped. At that point - and this was totally spontaneous - strangers reached out and grabbed the hands of the people standing next to them and pushed through those heart wrenching lines and continued to sing.

I realized then that though we may seem to be divided politically, when we are attacked from the outside, we close ranks and cling together - and I think that's good.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Venezuela
I guess is more "Pro-Freedom" than "Patriotic"

Gloria al Bravo Pueblo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-10-2015, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Finland
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You're probably right. Americans have this love/hate relationship with France.
Both two countries definately share same values and history
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Old 02-10-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The relationship between France and the U.S. is based on our mutual support in revolutions that were based on similar themes of liberty and equality, and the viability of republic forms of government arising from enlightenment philosophy.

On a more practical level, yes, the American system is much more derivative of British legal and governmental forms.

France in the air, Britain on the ground.


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Both two countries definately share same values and history
Good points. Our Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France. the French revolution was influenced byt he American one.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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The USA is one of relatively few that rejoice over the glory of war.
doubt that , my own countries national anthem celebrates it
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:20 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Good points. Our Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France. the French revolution was influenced by the American one.
And vice versa.

I grew up near a street called Lafayette Avenue (pigeonhole, look up Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette and study France's role in the US revolution, aka its secession from the British Empire), and not too far from the Statue of Liberty either.

In fact, I believe that the concept of Lady Liberty comes from French political philosophers of the so-called enlightenment (anti-European king) era. There are other monuments to her in New York State and possibly elsewhere in the US, and she is featured on some US coinage - and not the Queen of England like in Canada and maybe Australia and New Zealand.

In any case, the British, French, and US, and their other offshoots, are an incestuous bunch, prone to both infighting and love-making all at the same time, and there is nothing unusual about that among groups of humans.

Anyway, yes, the point of national anthems is to be patriotic. The US national anthem is fine the way it is, no need to change it.

My favorite, though, by far, is Canada's.

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons' command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

Finally, most, if not all, nation-states, and many other political-economic entities throughout history, have been carved out by war and conquest in some form or another. That is quite normal among groups of humans, and it is useless to pretend otherwise.

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Old 02-13-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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Good points. Our Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France. the French revolution was influenced byt he American one.
And Lafayette helped us kick the butts of the British.
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Old 02-14-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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And Lafayette helped us kick the butts of the British.
Right, and shortly after the Revolutionary War, at least one of my ancestors was named Lafayette. I always thought that was cool.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Good points. Our Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France. the French revolution was influenced byt he American one.
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