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Old 06-21-2015, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Polderland
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I always think of Australia as Canada south, or Canada as Australia north. There just seems to be a lot of similarities between us.
Yeah i can understand that comparison. I think of Canada the same as Australia as well, in that regard. Both seem like great countries. Both seem very laid back also.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Polderland
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They were participating members of the Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion and have contributed to air strikes in Syria/Iraq - so apparently not.

Canada is the same, actually - these countries don't have the power or the might go wage their own invasions but they have no qualms joining America for no reason.
And? So did a lot of other countries. We also have troops there and are doing air strikes in Syria as well.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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I don't think so, Australians and maybe New Zealanders don't have that imperialistic gene that Americans and the British have, we're more like the Irish in that we just want to be left alone to live our lives.

In fact the British have been known to call us the Irish of the south pacific.
both countries are much more british in charechter than irish , especially new Zealand

not saying either has an imperialistic gene , I don't think any nation has inherently speaking , its down to size and strength at a particular time in history , Sweden was pretty handy at the old invasion a thousand years ago , so too Mongolia
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Old 06-21-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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I don't understand the statement. If Australia and New Zealand were in Europe or North America then they wouldn't be Australia or New Zealand - they would have none of the traits that are distinct to that region (socially or geographically).
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: The Downunderverse
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both countries are much more british in charechter than irish , especially new Zealand

not saying either has an imperialistic gene , I don't think any nation has inherently speaking , its down to size and strength at a particular time in history , Sweden was pretty handy at the old invasion a thousand years ago , so too Mongolia
It was a figure of speech, but we're not talking about ancient history we're talking about present day and today Americans and the British are the most imperialistic countries in the world, Australia not so much.
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Various
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"Bigger" superpowers? Neither is a superpower as it stands right now.

So, basically, you're looking at Canada and the US. Except Australia wouldn't be anywhere near US super power levels. It would just be Canada, and smaller Canada.
Australia is only just behind Canada now as 12th largest economy in the world with Canada at 11. On a GDP per capita basis we are bigger. Agree, this doesn't make Australia or Canada a "superpower", and if Australia were in Europe, it wouldn't be Australia.
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Australia is only just behind Canada now as 12th largest economy in the world with Canada at 11. On a GDP per capita basis we are bigger. Agree, this doesn't make Australia or Canada a "superpower", and if Australia were in Europe, it wouldn't be Australia.
Don't get too excited about GDP per cap....The difference in GDP per Capita is extraordinarily marginal and if Australia were to gain 13 million people to match Canada's population it too would probably take a bit of a hit in the GDP per cap department.. The more people in a nation, the harder it is to maintain that high GDP per cap number. The U.S is the one country with a very large population that has been able to maintain very high GDP per cap numbers.. Most other nations with high GDP per cap numbers have fairly low populations like Canada, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Qatar etc. Anyway if you look at PPP measures which means how much will I get for the dollar I spend in relative terms the GDP PPP of both nations is very very close - extraordinarily so like twins but it is indeed cheaper in Canada for goods and services to offset the lower GDP per cap nominally .... PPP comparisons are thus more useful as real life measures of COL... There is practically zero difference in QOL between a Canadian and Australian..

As for the countries themselves - they both have large economies but neither are economic or military superpowers.. The problem with both countries is we simply don't have the population to gain that status.. Both countries would need to triple their population while maintaining relative per head affluence to start to gain traction as 'superpowers' - As a matter of fact, I think Canada and Australia will probably be knocked down a few notches over the next decade or so in terms of overall GDP numbers as emerging economies with large populations start to gain traction.. In a decade from now Canada we will still probably be 1 or 2 notches above Australia in overall GDP though South Korea and Mexico will surge past us both.

In the meantime both will have to be happy with 'middle' power status and any delusions of grandeur are just that - delusions.

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Old 06-21-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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They were participating members of the Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion and have contributed to air strikes in Syria/Iraq - so apparently not.

Canada is the same, actually - these countries don't have the power or the might go wage their own invasions but they have no qualms joining America for no reason.
Interesting perspective, you think nations enter a war for no reason. There are reasons, probably not the one sold (*cough*wmd*cough*) but there are reasons.....
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Old 06-21-2015, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Various
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Don't get too excited about GDP per cap....The difference in GDP per Capita is extraordinarily marginal and if Australia were to gain 13 million people to match Canada's population it too would probably take a bit of a hit in the GDP per cap department.. The more people in a nation, the harder it is to maintain that high GDP per cap number. The U.S is the one country with a very large population that has been able to maintain very high GDP per cap numbers.. Most other nations with high GDP per cap numbers have fairly low populations like Canada, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Qatar etc. Anyway if you look at PPP measures which means how much will I get for the dollar I spend in relative terms the GDP PPP of both nations is very very close - extraordinarily so like twins but it is indeed cheaper in Canada for goods and services to offset the lower GDP per cap nominally .... PPP comparisons are thus more useful as real life measures of COL... There is practically zero difference in QOL between a Canadian and Australian..

As for the countries themselves - they both have large economies but neither are economic or military superpowers.. The problem with both countries is we simply don't have the population to gain that status.. Both countries would need to triple their population while maintaining relative per head affluence to start to gain traction as 'superpowers' - As a matter of fact, I think Canada and Australia will probably be knocked down a few notches over the next decade or so in terms of overall GDP numbers as emerging economies with large populations start to gain traction.. In a decade from now Canada we will still probably be 1 or 2 notches above Australia in overall GDP though South Korea and Mexico will surge past us both.

In the meantime both will have to be happy with 'middle' power status and any delusions of grandeur are just that - delusions.
Thanks, I understand all measures of GDP and PPP. I was replying to a post that implied Canada was significantly larger than Australia currently, when in fact by many measures there is a bees dick of difference.
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Old 06-21-2015, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Thanks, I understand all measures of GDP and PPP. I was replying to a post that implied Canada was significantly larger than Australia currently, when in fact by many measures there is a bees dick of difference.
How did my post say anything of the sort? I certainly didn't intend for it to read that way. The OP was implying Australia is some kind of super power as it stands right now. It's not. Neither is Canada. I didn't know I had to point that out, since it should be glaringly obvious. What I was saying, was if Australia was in a different part of the globe, it would really just be another version of Canada.
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