What do non-Americans think of Trump (house, buy, move to)
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Sanders isn't far left. His policies are similar to Hollande's. Would you call the French president far left wing. And if he is, how would you call the Greens, the Commies and all the No Global and Anarchic grouplease which are quite common in various areas of Europe.
Yes. His original, core inclination I would call socialist and "far left" with his aggressive destratification policies. As many may remember, this led to one of the most entertaining capital outflows from France in living memory.
So it was certainly true before his economic reform programme, and despite those reforms he still holds to characteristic policies (albeit not enough to appease the fringe hardliners in his party). The Greens and Communists I would also categorize as "far left".
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Sanders isn't far left. His policies are similar to Hollande's. Would you call the French president far left wing
Hollande has flip flopped from socialist to corporate stooge after seeing his socialist policies fail in France. So at what stage of his political bipolar disorder do you compare him to Sanders? Right now? Then no.
Yes. His political inclination I would call socialist and "far left". That was certainly true before his move to adopt a more centrist economic reform programme, and even despite that he still holds to characteristic policies today. The Greens and Communists I would also categorize as "far left".
If you say so. But given what you've posted so far in this thread, I'm not very convinced. What a shame that, for the same reason you can't technically 'refute' someone who finds La Tour Eiffel "ugly", you can't prove what I say to be "wrong".
He is only from your point of view which is skewed too much to the right of the political centre. To me and the rest of European electors he was a regular left winger. If you are looking for a far left winger you are looking for the likes of Tsipras.
I'll try to explain why Trump is far right:
Wants to limit freedom of expression (there has been talks of limiting internet use), minimal welfare spending, nationalism, discrimination towards certain ethnicity and religions, ecc.
His political views have all the makings of what in Italy we would call neo-fascism
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Hollande has flip flopped from socialist to corporate stooge after seeing his socialist policies fail in France. So at what stage of his political bipolar disorder do you compare him to Sanders? Right now? Then no.
Honesty the current measures the ECB has forced him to take aren't working either. I would compare Sanders to what Hollande was at the start of his tenure. Hollande's policies wouldn't have worked because they were too steep on investors but he realised that pretty soon. Not all socialist policies are flawed in the same way not liberist ones work.
He is only from your point of view which is skewed too much to the right of the political centre. To me and the rest of European electors he was a regular left winger. If you are looking for a far left winger you are looking for the likes of Tsipras.
My suggestion: don't deign to speak on behalf of all Europeans when you claim that you represent some kind of a political norm or standard. That's a good way to make yourself look very foolish.
For one thing, to me, you don't represent what I call the political middle ground.
My suggestion: don't deign to speak on behalf of all Europeans when you claim that you represent some kind of a political norm or standard. That's a good way to make yourself look very foolish.
By the way i don't claim to represent all Europeans but a majority of them for sure
For one thing, to me, you don't represent what I call the political middle ground.
OK! Go in the European sub forum and ask what they think about it. I don't represent the middle ground. You may have noticed i lean to the left but i'my trying not to let bias get in the way.
Wants to limit freedom of expression (there has been talks of limiting internet use), minimal welfare spending, nationalism, discrimination towards certain ethnicity and religions, ecc.
Minimal welfare spending is definitely not exclusive to neofascism, as any historical economic theory analysis on growth-maximizing government size will show. I'm pretty sure a self-made billionaire like the Donald will understand basic concepts like the Laffer Curve or Rahn Curve. Secondly, if limiting freedom of expression is exclusive to neofascism, then the current administration would be in big trouble as far as its linguistic precepts in political correctness are concerned.
Your other two criteria, nationalism and discrimination against minorities, are opinionative and heavily influenced by your own political a priori assumptions.
The USA foreign policy might be hated but Obama, I think he is one of the most well liked world personalities. Certainly more like than the Bushes and Reagan.
I agree. We just came back from 6 weeks in Europe. In general, the people we met love Obama. They hated Bush and Trump terrifies them.
Minimal welfare spending is definitely not exclusive to neofascism, as any historical economic theory analysis on growth-maximizing government size will show. If limiting freedom of expression is exclusive to neofascism, then the current administration would be in big trouble as far as its linguistic precepts in political correctness are concerned.
Your other two criteria, nationalism and discrimination are opinionative, and show little discernment aside from simply parroting the incoherent banshee wailing from the legacy media.
Minimal welfare spending and discrimination may not be neither unique nor common to all government of those ideologies but it is a good indicator of the path he wants to take.
Limiting freedom of expression is instead typical of neofascism as is nationalism.
Trump is objectively nationalistic and is holding discriminatory views towards Muslims which he wants to force anot ID card which shows their religion just like the numbers Hitler put on the clothes or on the hands of each Jew
Anyway i don't see how Trumpwill ever get elected into office. I will actually be surprised if Hillary doesn't win. She is almost already seen as the winner here in Italy but then again our medias and most of those who are interested in politics don't have a positive image of the Republican party
This doesn't surprise me about Italy. Last time I was there visiting friends we were talking about public versus private programs. I said that I thought private industry is generally more efficient, not necessarily better, but more efficient than government. I was looked at like I was a crazy person.
Minimal welfare spending and discrimination may not be neither unique nor common to all government of those ideologies but it is a good indicator of the path he wants to take.
Limiting freedom of expression is instead typical of neofascism as is nationalism.
Trump is objectively nationalistic and is holding discriminatory views towards Muslims which he wants to force anot ID card which shows their religion just like the numbers Hitler put on the clothes or on the hands of each Jew
I'm afraid invoking Godwin's Law will do little to make your argument any more cogent.
You'll have to find a more convincing way to argue how maintaining control of a nation's borders (an idea pivotal to the concept of sovereignty), or even, dare I say it, choosing who to allow into the country by evaluating if they pose a threat to the well-being of its citizens, translates to goose-stepping right wing extremism.
Context is important here: We have just experienced one of the most horrific acts of terrorism on continental Europe in recent memory. Furthermore, 25% of Muslims polled in a recent survey saw it as religiously justified to commit violent acts against the fabric and people of the USA.
The rest of your comment simply repeats your talking points without substantiating them.
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