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Old 12-31-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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Where has anti-Semitism been worse in the past decade or so - France or Argentina?

My bet is that in France, actual anti-Semitic acts have been worse in the past little while than in Argentina, but the level of governmental impunity towards anti-Semitism is about the same in both countries. Of course, in Buenos Aires, there was the 1992 Israeli embassy bombing and the 1994 AMIA community centre attack, but since then there have been no large-scale attacks of that kind in Argentina - whereas in Paris just about a year ago there was the fatal attack on the kosher supermarket.

Plus, if in France it's been mostly Muslims of Maghrebi descent perpetrating those acts, which ethnicity in particular has been responsible for such acts in Argentina?
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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Where has anti-Semitism been worse in the past decade or so - France or Argentina?

My bet is that in France, actual anti-Semitic acts have been worse in the past little while than in Argentina, but the level of governmental impunity towards anti-Semitism is about the same in both countries. Of course, in Buenos Aires, there was the 1992 Israeli embassy bombing and the 1994 AMIA community centre attack, but since then there have been no large-scale attacks of that kind in Argentina - whereas in Paris just about a year ago there was the fatal attack on the kosher supermarket.

Plus, if in France it's been mostly Muslims of Maghrebi descent perpetrating those acts, which ethnicity in particular has been responsible for such acts in Argentina?
The 1992 Israeli embassy and the AMIA attack were perpetrated indirectly by Iran by foreign suicide bombers. Argentinian had nothing to do with those terrorist attacks, they even suffered much more casualties than Israelis, it was one of the many proxies attacks between Israel and Iran. Just after the AMIA bombing, a plane in Panama and the Israeli embassy in London were also bombed.

There is a very small but vocal anti-Semitism community in France. Mostly from descendants of muslims countries which resent the Israeli politics in the Middle East.. Nothing new there when you know about the history of Israel and its neighbours. But yes, it's very worrying that terrorist acts targeting jews happen more often in France. But, by the way, Islamophobe acts are also in the rise. Things are getting quite out of control there.

About impunity, both countries have close to a zero level of tolerance to anti-semitism acts. The only thing is the 1992 bombing where many implicated Iranians were not prosecuted because of economical negotiations between the Argentinian and the Iranian governments. France has always prosecuted anti-semitics acts. Much more than anti-muslims acts by the way.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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Because the thing is that on one page of the Canadian website of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, covering that organization's efforts to hasten Jewish migration to Israel out of the need to escape anti-Semitism, I see the following:

"Over the years, the scope of The Fellowship’s efforts to rescue Jews in peril has expanded beyond the former Soviet Union to include those living under state-sanctioned anti-Semitism in Arab lands, thousands of “lost” Jews found living in remote corners of Ethiopia and India and Jews living in Argentina, where rampant anti-Semitism has led many to look to Israel for their future." (emphasis added - no mention of France)

And in a related, recent solicitation, it mentions thus:

"And now, as we are entering into the new year, The Fellowship is adding even more flights from France, Moldova, Argentina, Venezuela, and other countries as Jews plead with us to help them flee raging anti-Semitism and danger." (again, emphasis added)

Nothing similar said about North American, Australian, or even British Jews on those pages.
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Old 01-03-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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Past decade? Past decades=France and much of Europe.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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Where has anti-Semitism been worse in the past decade or so - France or Argentina?

My bet is that in France, actual anti-Semitic acts have been worse in the past little while than in Argentina, but the level of governmental impunity towards anti-Semitism is about the same in both countries. Of course, in Buenos Aires, there was the 1992 Israeli embassy bombing and the 1994 AMIA community centre attack, but since then there have been no large-scale attacks of that kind in Argentina - whereas in Paris just about a year ago there was the fatal attack on the kosher supermarket.

Plus, if in France it's been mostly Muslims of Maghrebi descent perpetrating those acts, which ethnicity in particular has been responsible for such acts in Argentina?
One of my best friends on a project I worked in Peru (I left 2 weeks ago) is Jewish and his grandparents were forced out of Turkey (because of their religion) and emigrated to Buenos Aires. Raised in Peru and Argentina, he has since emigrated to Canada but he said he felt no discrimination in Peru or Argentina for being Jewish and his decision was based more on financial/lifestyle reasons. I would say France would be much more hostile for Jewish people than Argentina.
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Old 01-05-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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france is more hostile to jews

1. very large number of arabs, some even radicalized, most arabs in south america are christians and fully integrated in the local culture (Shakira comes to mind), they don't care if you're jewish!

2. Europe has a history of anti-semitism, while south america actually served for many jews as a safe haven during WWII
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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2. Europe has a history of anti-semitism, while south america actually served for many jews as a safe haven during WWII
South America, though, got a lot of Nazi war criminals (from Germany, Austria, etc.), some of them senior Nazi members, after WWII. Eichmann, Mengele, etc. come to mind.
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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South America, though, got a lot of Nazi war criminals (from Germany, Austria, etc.), some of them senior Nazi members, after WWII. Eichmann, Mengele, etc. come to mind.
still is not known for being anti-semitic, in fact I know a few south American jews who are pretty much like ay other south american and live their daily lives normally. Most aren't even seen as jews but as locals.
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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still is not known for being anti-semitic, in fact I know a few south American jews who are pretty much like ay other south american and live their daily lives normally. Most aren't even seen as jews but as locals.
The same can be said for Europe.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:47 AM
 
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The same can be said for Europe.
yes, but still from the two, A jew will face less discrimination and perhaps less danger in south america as honestly some places in europe are not very safe for a jew to be walking around (Brussels, Paris, Marseilles, Cologne) and several other cities that are filled with muslims. (Not because all muslims are bad, but because there are components in their populations that are not very tolerant)
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