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I'm not talking about old music, I'm talking about old gear. Do you think the older, quality speakers you can get today for cheap were not just as expensive back when they were at their prime, as what you're having so much trouble finding in today's market?
Do you think everyone was listening to music in well-geared boomboxes some 20 years ago? **** no.
This is what makes you sound like an elitist:
"some of them have never even entered a record store or bought music and that is a pretty depressing thought for me."
"I mostly feel that music is a necessary background noise now, so that sound is not really an issue for the majority."
"I have never used spotify or any streaming service, I wonder if the sound is decent."
It reeks of "Bow down to me I haz such a high appreciation of the musixs."
Yes it can be found for cheap today, when it's price has devalued. What would you guess was it's price when it was brand new? If it's stuck around for so long, I reckon it was high quality.
Or at least my 15 year old cheap stereo hasn't dealt well enough with the path of time. The speaker cones went to hell and it sounds like agony.
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... Do you want it? I can send it to you so you can enjoy the superior quality sound of an old stereo. It plays tapes and CDs and it's small enough that you can carry it to those parties where you say the sound quality was subpar.
Everyone will thank you.
50€ and you have to pay for any extra fees.
You are overreacting for some very odd reason without even understanding forgotten's point.
He meant that he misses the culture and feeling of people browsing record stores for vinyls and CD's, as youth today just buy a mp3 online. I'm 6 years older than you, and I'm still in that browsing generation. It was cool, it was fun. And before Napster, CD's were the only source for new music. Forgotten is nostalgizing, not hipstering.
I can agree upon that old speakers are better than new ones. Otherwise why would I have my 70's Pioneers if the new ones are better? I demanded these as inheritance even before the eventual death of my grandparents. And when they were put in a nursing home, I went and took them. These are mine, otherwise my mom might sell them.
When Napster, Kazaa and DC++ came along and widespread piracy with them, mp3's were usually at 96 kbps and thus bad quality. They were even 48 kbps sometimes. I remember discarding songs which weren't even worthy to be burnt on a CD. For a person like Forgotten 8 (?) years older than me, I can understand his worries about quality, as boy was it poor sometimes in mp3's.
Music today is background noise often to me as well. The point Forgotten was making that he doesn't care. And if it's not really good, I don't care either. It's not about quality, it's about interest.
You know I like you, but you're once again picking a fight with somebody not fighting with you and for no reason. You just want to fight it seems. Sorry, but I wanted to say this publicly.
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My point exactly. I'm completely nostalgic for sure, also when I realize that people in their mid-20s, so hardly teenagers anymore, are old enough already to have always lived with mp3s, that makes me feel old (I'm in my mid 30s actually). And nobody likes to be reminded they are old, right ?
I still have interest in music, I'm going to see two different concerts this week-end of friends playing (some have just released a cassette tape !), I just feel that the fact has become so immediately available is kinda strange in a way. It is great to be able to discover any type of music thanks to youtube or any other service, but at the same time when music was not available immediately there was a certain mystery around it, especially if you were trying to find out about certain genres. I remember taking months to find a CD after reading a review, or having comp tapes sent through the mail, recorded with a person's gear and sometimes not perfectly sounding, but it was special.
Also, I have many friends playing in bands and releasing records / CDs / tapes, usually in small quantities, so obviously having the objects is something I enjoy very much because it is the "product" of a subculture I have been a part of.
Compared to that, I admit I don't feel much excitement in subscribing to a software for a monthly fee, even finding obscure mp3s on peer to peer is more exciting.
I'm not saying that there is no good music made today or that there are no good ways to listen to it, but I just feel very alien to these new ways and I don't understand the fact that someone who would like to continue to have the same relationship with music he's always had would be considered as a hipster, especially when it is about buying 2€ tapes and 10€ LPs from distros everyonce in while.
You are overreacting for some very odd reason without even understanding forgotten's point.
He meant that he misses the culture and feeling of people browsing record stores for vinyls and CD's, as youth today just buy a mp3 online. I'm 6 years older than you, and I'm still in that browsing generation. It was cool, it was fun. And before Napster, CD's were the only source for new music. Forgotten is nostalgizing, not hipstering.
I can agree upon that old speakers are better than new ones. Otherwise why would I have my 70's Pioneers if the new ones are better? I demanded these as inheritance even before the eventual death of my grandparents. And when they were put in a nursing home, I went and took them. These are mine, otherwise my mom might sell them.
When Napster, Kazaa and DC++ came along and widespread piracy with them, mp3's were usually at 96 kbps and thus bad quality. They were even 48 kbps sometimes. I remember discarding songs which weren't even worthy to be burnt on a CD. For a person like Forgotten 8 (?) years older than me, I can understand his worries about quality, as boy was it poor sometimes in mp3's.
Music today is background noise often to me as well. The point Forgotten was making that he doesn't care. And if it's not really good, I don't care either. It's not about quality, it's about interest.
You know I like you, but you're once again picking a fight with somebody not fighting with you and for no reason. You just want to fight it seems. Sorry, but I wanted to say this publicly.
And you are meddling for some odd reason.
Whatever people do today is none of anyone's bussiness but themselves, I always find it condesceding of people to feel bad for dumb **** like this. Because that's all it is, pure dumbness.
You can agree upon whatever and make love to your speakers if you will while disregarding the objective picture that not really, they're not better, the ones on their level are more expensive since they're, I dunno... new? So you can't afford them, and instead kept some old ones as inheritance. That doesn't mean **** about the quality of today's speakers tbh.
Compare worrying about pirated music uploaded by some kid vs a business which has quality in its best interest since that's how you make people pay for your service. Yeah, your comparison also makes sense.
What makes his comment about music being noise sound elitist is him picking on "The majority" as if the majority of people 20 years ago had more interest in music than they do today. Which is frankly not true, it's just picking on the present because that's the cool thing to do.
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Rock and Metal from the 1980's. I liked Rap in the 1990's when Biggie and TuPac were around but rap today has become filled with autotune and fakes. I guess I'm old school but when you constantly sing about the same things such as sex and violence which has plagued the music industry...I lose interest. I mean I have nothing against sex lol but it's too repetitive and it's not music to my ears.
That's how i feel about American hip hop, you either have to dig deep into the scene. In Italy, it's different, there's a lovely hip hop scene, both underground and even though there are mainstream artists who behave such as if they come from the hoods (Club Dogo........no you don't........you come from Italy's poshest city).
I said I felt depressed when I talked to people who had never entered a record store because: 1) it made me feel old and 2) because I felt it was some great fun that younger people were missing (and the whole part about looking for music Vs. having everything ready to hear).
As you grow older you realize some experiences you've had as a younger person can not be shared anymore with some of your younger friends because they don't know what you are talking about, or at least they have not known this reality and it is something less in common. I'm not saying they have a flawed view of reality, because I'm in the same position, just on the other side.
I said I prefered older gear because it forced me to pay more attention, because I thought I had a closer contact to music, and I did not find the same appeal in plugging in youtube (and generally when a computer is in the room at a party, everyone just plays his video until someone else changes it, and nobody cares for other people's choices... not much of a sharing feeling)
I'm also not super fond of the idea of having to use a service that keeps track of my listening habits, that knows everything about me, I prefer having alternatives in the robot world that is ahead of us. Same as using paper maps instead of google, watching a movie on film on a big screen, writing with a pen and not with a laptop, etc. If wanting an alternative is elitist or hipster, then I'm in, but don't consider me as judgemental or condescending because that's not the point.
I also prefer paying for a physical object than for something that's essentially just sound someone else decided to make available.
Also, piratry also allowed me to find out about records and bands that do not interest the record industry, so that's why I doubt I'd have much use of one of these streaming services. Well, I could listen to a lot of music I like, but never everything, because there are also bands who refuse to be on it, for various reasons. You are right, I still have to actively try it, but I don't really need it now. Did I say people should stay away from it ? If people like it, good for them.
Technology is fantastic, it is amazing that I can store thousands of albums on a mp3 player that is the size of a matchbox, instead of carrying dozens of tapes in boxes everytime I go on a trip ike I did 15 years ago. I'm not denying that.
Same goes for digital photography, I take thousands of pictures and I can store them. Still, I really like to look at all these photography books that my family has since the 50s.
But will my computer work in 5 years ? Will I be able to play the tracks I have bought ? What about batteries that I cannot replace myself ? Will the sound be good ? Meanwhile I'm sure my records, turntable and amplifier will still work. That's the only "investment" on the future that I can value.
The world has turned digital, but I'm still analog inside.
Last edited by Rozenn; 03-28-2016 at 03:32 PM..
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I'm still scratching my head on to where I may have been elitist.
I said I felt depressed when I talked to people who had never entered a record store because: 1) it made me feel old and 2) because I felt it was some great fun that younger people were missing (and the whole part about looking for music Vs. having everything ready to hear).
As you grow older you realize some experiences you've had as a younger person can not be shared anymore with some of your younger friends because they don't know what you are talking about, or at least they have not known this reality and it is something less in common. I'm not saying they have a flawed view of reality, because I'm in the same position, just on the other side.
I said I prefered older gear because it forced me to pay more attention, because I thought I had a closer contact to music, and I did not find the same appeal in plugging in youtube (and generally when a computer is in the room at a party, everyone just plays his video until someone else changes it, and nobody cares for other people's choices... not much of a sharing feeling)
I'm also not super fond of the idea of having to use a service that keeps track of my listening habits, that knows everything about me, I prefer having alternatives in the robot world that is ahead of us. Same as using paper maps instead of google, watching a movie on film on a big screen, writing with a pen and not with a laptop, etc. If wanting an alternative is elitist or hipster, then I'm in, but don't consider me as judgemental or condescending because that's not the point.
I also prefer paying for a physical object than for something that's essentially just sound someone else decided to make available.
Also, piratry also allowed me to find out about records and bands that do not interest the record industry, so that's why I doubt I'd have much use of one of these streaming services. Well, I could listen to a lot of music I like, but never everything, because there are also bands who refuse to be on it, for various reasons. You are right, I still have to actively try it, but I don't really need it now. Did I say people should stay away from it ? If people like it, good for them.
Technology is fantastic, it is amazing that I can store thousands of albums on a mp3 player that is the size of a matchbox, instead of carrying dozens of tapes in boxes everytime I go on a trip ike I did 15 years ago. I'm not denying that.
Same goes for digital photography, I take thousands of pictures and I can store them. Still, I really like to look at all these photography books that my family has since the 50s.
Fair enough.
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But will my computer work in 5 years ? Will I be able to play the tracks I have bought ? What about batteries that I cannot replace myself ? Will the sound be good ? Meanwhile I'm sure my records, turntable and amplifier will still work. That's the only "investment" on the future that I can value.
The world has turned digital, but I'm still analog inside.
Well I had the same worries before making my first digital purchase, but then you can redownload your purchase if you lose it, or save it on a usb + a spare hard drive and you have an extra back up of music on your Mp3, maybe even your phone card-thing, if you have one. I have my music backed up on two different devices.
Why won't you be able to play the tracks? The physical technology you're using will die out and you're not worried about not being able to listen to CD's even though knowing that if your stuff breaks, you will have a harder time replacing it as time goes by. And you're not worried about that?
Nowadays you can pre-listen music before buying online. Or at least you can on several webpages.
You can't really be sure that it'll all work, especially for old crap. You face as much uncertainty as the best of us.
Last edited by Rozenn; 03-28-2016 at 03:32 PM..
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