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Old 04-25-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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Not really. California has a lovely laid-back, creative vibe I've not experienced in the US before, and the natural scenery is indeed breathtaking. Having said that I've only been there twice (in my 15 times to the US in total) compared to five visits to Italy which wins easily in high culture, history and architecture. I love both places equally though
There's no Yosemite, no Redwood and no Tahoe in Italy. There's no Death Valley. There are fewer beaches in Italy, too. The weather isn't as nice as California nor diverse as California weather. I prefer the wines in California over Italy. So California got this one over Italy.
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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You are right. However, what the Central Mediterranean would be lacking are Oceanic leaning climates in the mold of San Francisco and Eureka, desertic climates such as California's Southeast or climates with summer highs as warm as San Fernando's or Redding's (precipitation wouldn't be a problem but highs would)

Lecce, Catania and Foggia are the warmest climates Italy has but they are nowhere near being as warm as San Fernando Valley or even Redding
San Francisco is considered Mediterranean, not oceanic.
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Italians are more self deprecating than you think. The only thing we are able to take pride in are our cuisine, our cultural heritage and depending on cases our birthplace.



Etna or Stromboli erupt every other year but the last major eruption is still that of the Vesuvio in 1944.
True.
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Old 04-26-2016, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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San Francisco is considered Mediterranean, not oceanic.
it is an extremely cool version of mediterranean, though. It is classified as such only because of the mild winters and summer's lack of precipitation, otherwise those summers are more in tune with Brest, France (for the temperature I mean).
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Old 04-26-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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San Francisco is considered Mediterranean, not oceanic.
Yep, always loved those miles and miles of olive groves in and around the rolling hills of San Francisco, in fact, the world's greatest grade-A virgin olive oil comes from there, cold pressed and everything.

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Old 04-26-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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There's no Yosemite, no Redwood and no Tahoe in Italy. There's no Death Valley. There are fewer beaches in Italy, too. The weather isn't as nice as California nor diverse as California weather. I prefer the wines in California over Italy. So California got this one over Italy.
There's no Florence, Rome or Venice (Venice Beach doesn't count ) in Cali either.

But, I'd visit both again in a heartbeat and I've been to LA and SF twice in the last six months
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Old 04-26-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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There's no Yosemite, no Redwood and no Tahoe in Italy. There's no Death Valley. There are fewer beaches in Italy, too. The weather isn't as nice as California nor diverse as California weather. I prefer the wines in California over Italy. So California got this one over Italy.
When it comes to beaches, Italy certainly has more than California given that its coasts are longer and they are suitable for a longer period of the year given that Italy isn't affected by a cold marine current in the same way California is. Italy has little sandy coves, long sandy beaches, rocky beaches surrounded by cliffs, black volcanic beaches, ecc. there's for all tastes

Italy may not have Yosemites, Redwood or Tahoe. But in the same way, it has highly scenic sceneries which California doesn't have such as the Dolomites, the Crete Senesi, the cliffs of Ogliastra, the marshes of the delta of the Po river, ecc.

Now, i'm not claiming that Italian natural beauty is more than that of California but it isn't far from it, just not as well known to you (you haven't heard of the places i have listed just like i never heard of Redwood). Aside from that, it's subjective of course.

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San Francisco is considered Mediterranean, not oceanic.
Yeah but it has oceanic influences. Temps are influenced and climate is extremely influenced from the sea who keeps the coast mild throughout the year, the rain pattern is of course the same of a mediterranean climate and what turns it into one

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Yep, always loved those miles and miles of olive groves in and around the rolling hills of San Francisco, in fact, the world's greatest grade-A virgin olive oil comes from there, cold pressed and everything.
Doesn't surprise me, by the way Apulia is also known for its olive groves and for being the major producer in the country. The Southern half of the region has been hit with a bacteria called xylella (who came from California by the way ) which has put several farmers in difficulty

So maybe if you see it in the shelf of a store purchase Apulian olive oil, it's of the highest quality

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Old 04-26-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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There's no Florence, Rome or Venice (Venice Beach doesn't count ) in Cali either.

But, I'd visit both again in a heartbeat and I've been to LA and SF twice in the last six months
There's no Hollywood and Big Sur, too. There's no english. No high Tech Capital in Italy.
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Old 04-26-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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When it comes to beaches, Italy certainly has more than California given that its coasts are longer and they are suitable for a longer period of the year given that Italy isn't affected by a cold marine current in the same way California is. Italy has little sandy coves, long sandy beaches, rocky beaches surrounded by cliffs, black volcanic beaches, ecc. there's for all tastes

Italy may not have Yosemites, Redwood or Tahoe. But in the same way, it has highly scenic sceneries which California doesn't have such as the Dolomites, the Crete Senesi, the cliffs of Ogliastra, the marshes of the delta of the Po river, ecc.

Now, i'm not claiming that Italian natural beauty is more than that of California but it isn't far from it, just not as well known to you (you haven't heard of the places i have listed just like i never heard of Redwood). Aside from that, it's subjective of course.



Yeah but it has oceanic influences. Temps are influenced and climate is extremely influenced from the sea who keeps the coast mild throughout the year, the rain pattern is of course the same of a mediterranean climate and what turns it into one



Doesn't surprise me, by the way Apulia is also known for its olive groves and for being the major producer in the country. The Southern half of the region has been hit with a bacteria called xylella (who came from California by the way ) which has put several farmers in difficulty

So maybe if you see it in the shelf of a store purchase Apulian olive oil, it's of the highest quality
No Sequoia National Park, no Lassen Volcanic Park in Italy. California has Carmel, Medicino and Malibu. Don't forget the Sacramento Delta. It's still the agriculture capital of the world.
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Old 04-26-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yeah but it has oceanic influences. Temps are influenced and climate is extremely influenced from the sea who keeps the coast mild throughout the year, the rain pattern is of course the same of a mediterranean climate and what turns it into one
Most Mediterranean climates have Oceanic influence, which explains the winters.

San Francisco's climate isn't due to Oceanic influence in the way that Cfb climates are, but rather just the fact the the sea is very cold for it's latitude.
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