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Watch this video, I lived in a very homogenic (basically all white) area till I was 15 then moved to a south Seattle area, which is VERY "diverse". After about 6 months of going there I began to relize some things, some things I will share later once some discussion starts. But I can say my experiences are very true to what this video says. Take a watch! Go to 6:14 if you want to start hearing the main points. I suggest staring at 6:14 and listen to the end.
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If diversity doesn't work then what would be your solution, as it seems you are identifying something as a problem without offering a real alternative or a solution.
Furthermore aren't we all the same species in terms of being human regardless of colour, indeed according to scientists we all originated from Africa, whilst many countries have seen invasion, wars and immigration over many thousands of years.
America wouldn't exist if the natrive population hadn't been displaced, the same is true of Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
Entrenched Religious Fundamentalism is the greater threat to mankind whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other form of fundamentalist religous belief, rather than just diversity based simply on colour and creed or simple cultural differences.
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The optimum social model is probably a multi-racial monoculture. This would be analogous to the USA at the apex of its economic development: Many different groups of diverse ethnic origin, with different strengths and knowledge bases assimilating over time under common Christian values, work ethic and pioneering entrepreneurial vision.
This is not the same as multiculturalism, in which many different, often conflicted, value systems are closely juxtaposed within a single geographic region. That, as history as shown time and time again, is a recipe for social division and regress.
Some may compare this to the USA in the state it's in today: As those original values have become eroded under the blight of ethical and secular postmodernism, you see the nation now deeply fragmented, with irreconcilable divisions forming along racial, cultural and other demographic boundaries.
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A multi-racial monoculture is probably the best mode for a society.
This is analogous to to some degree to the USA at the apex of its economic development and demographic growth: many different groups of diverse ethnic origin, with different strengths and knowledge bases assimilating over time under common Christian values, work ethic and pioneering entrepreneurial vision.
This is not the same as multiculturalism, in which many different conflicted value systems are juxtaposed within a single geographic region. That, as both history as shown time and time again, is a recipe for social division and disaster.
That would be analogous to the USA in the state it's in today: As those original core values start have become eroded under the type of ethical postmodernism that stems from secularism, you see that original great monoculture now irreconcilably fragmented with deep divisions forming along racial and other demographic boundaries.
A Monoculture is not possible in the real word, or do you expect all other religions to convert to Christanity and Christian Values, the truth being you are free to practice any peaceful belief you have in a democratic country.
Indeed many religions and societies have a strong work ethic, from the Confucian ethic of the Far East to the Protestant and Christian Work Ethic through to the work ethics of Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism etc. Such values and ethics are not only to be found in one religion or culture, which perhaps explains why some many immigrant groups do do well in Western Society.
I have no problems with people practicing their religion indeed you are free to do so in any democratic country, the problem becomes when religion becomes warped by fundamentalism and religous intolerance of others.
A Monoculture is not possible in the real word, or do you expect all other religions to convert to Christanity and Christian Values, the truth being you are free to practice any peaceful belief you have in a democratic country.
It's easy to refute absolute claims. Japan is a monoculture for all intents and purposes. It's also a leading industrial nation with some of the most organized and civilized cities in the world - at least under the umbrella of their discrete ethical standards.
The USA at the height of its industrial growth would represent many different ethnic groups assimilating under monocultural standards actively protected by Federal Law.
At the end of the day, it is impossible to reconcile belief systems that are fundamentally conflicted. We can go over the epistemology and other technical criteria for this, but both history and current events serve as a better method of rhetoric.
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It's easy to refute absolute claims. Japan is a monoculture for all intents and purposes. It's also a leading industrial nation with some of the most organized and civilized cities in the world - at least under the umbrella of their discrete ethical standards.
Most of the Western World is already racially and religously diverse, and therefore is never going to be a monoculture or are you suggesting we impose certain beliefs and one religion on everyone by law. Countries such as Soviet Russian and Communist China tended to impose such beliefs on the population, as do countries such as North Korea.
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The USA at the height of its industrial growth would represent many different ethnic groups assimilating under monocultural standards actively protected by Federal Law.
The fact the US was once such a culture was mainly due to the fact that most immigrants at the time whether Italian, Irish or from other European Countries tended to be christian.
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At the end of the day, it is impossible to reconcile belief systems that are fundamentally conflicted. We can go over the epistemology and other technical criteria for this, but both history and current events serve as a better method of rhetoric.
I don't find most beliefs or religions fundamentally at conflict with our own. Religous Extremism (Fundamentalism) is the only problem that I can identify and this applies as much to Christian Fundamentalism as it does to other religions.
Most of the Western World is already racially and religously diverse, and therefore is never going to be a monoculture or are you suggesting we impose certain beliefs and one religion on everyone by law.
This isn't the same as your earlier claim, which was that the very concept of a monoculture was impossible. As for the West today, I think the course it's set is pretty much inexorable. The cultural mindset is inculcated in ways that would make laws like this untenable.
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The fact the US was once such a culture was mainly due to the fact that most immigrants at the time whether Italian, Irish or from other European Countries tended to be christian.
Unless you're arguing that cultural assimilation is impossible, all this proves is that people of different racial origin can share common value systems. It doesn't refute the idea that the USA for a time, strove towards a multi-racial monoculture, a fact that holds true irrespective of whether some ethnic groups had common religious values before or after they migrated.
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I don't find most beliefs or religions fundamentally at conflict with our own.Religous Extremism (Fundamentalism) is the only problem that I can identify and this applies as much to Christian Fundamentalism as it does to other religions.
Simply, you've yet to learn what properly basic beliefs are, why everyone, religious or irreligious, has them, and why it is impossible to find common ground with conflicted basic beliefs. Not really appropriate to discuss it in this thread. Maybe for another time.
Logic, mathematics, metaphysical axioms, scientific first principles, aesthetic statements, moral truths.
Yes, everyone has properly basic beliefs. Now shall we stay on-topic?
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