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View Poll Results: .
New York City 4 10.00%
LA 8 20.00%
San Francisco 2 5.00%
London 3 7.50%
Paris 6 15.00%
Sydney 12 30.00%
Tokyo 2 5.00%
Hong Kong 2 5.00%
Dubai 1 2.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-14-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Sydney seems like the best option for social assistance programs.
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Being extremely poor doesnt give choices..
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:41 PM
 
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[Saint Denis is a banlieue and i would feel comfortable walking its high street. I would probably feel comfortable walking in most all places in all European cities.
Me too. In fact I have, and it didn't feel particularly dangerous/sketchy. Didn't feel notably more dangerous than some equivalent area in London or Rome or Berlin (or in NYC for that matter; though some other U.S. cities would be different).

The Basilica of St. Denis is one of the most impressive attractions in France, IMO. I hope tourists aren't scared by the location, but maybe they are, as it has never been crowded when I have visited, and seemed to be mostly French pensioners in tour groups.
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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Source of such claims?

(not trying to make an argument)
You can find anything here. As you can see, it's a well articulated welfare system
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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Me too. In fact I have, and it didn't feel particularly dangerous/sketchy. Didn't feel notably more dangerous than some equivalent area in London or Rome or Berlin (or in NYC for that matter; though some other U.S. cities would be different).

The Basilica of St. Denis is one of the most impressive attractions in France, IMO. I hope tourists aren't scared by the location, but maybe they are, as it has never been crowded when I have visited, and seemed to be mostly French pensioners in tour groups.
Exactly, there are several supposedly sketchy neighbourhoods i walked and felt safe in. The only one where i felt unsafe was Forcella neighbourhoods in Easter of 2009 but back then it was the height of a fight between local organizated crime groups and given of the time of the year it was people were all away on day trips aside from kids who kept circling on us (who had lost our way) on their motorbikes
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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Exactly, there are several supposedly sketchy neighbourhoods i walked and felt safe in. The only one where i felt unsafe was Forcella neighbourhoods in Easter of 2009 but back then it was the height of a fight between local organizated crime groups and given of the time of the year it was people were all away on day trips aside from kids who kept circling on us (who had lost our way) on their motorbikes
Probably because many people think black people = sketchy.

Yes, there is a correlation, but there are tons of black neighborhoods in the Paris region and they aren't really dangerous. France overall has a very low crime rate, but because it has far more blacks than Germany, Netherlands, UK, people assume some French neighborhoods are more dangerous.

There are no black neighborhoods in Berlin or Rome, so it must be more safe, I guess people assume.

Also, non-Europeans are often shocked at Paris demographics. They think Amelie, and then when U.S. or Japanese tourists come and see half of some RER routes are black people, their Parisian fantasies are destroyed. Gare du Nord is a real shocker for some first-time tourists.
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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Probably because many people think black people = sketchy.

Yes, there is a correlation, but there are tons of black neighborhoods in the Paris region and they aren't really dangerous. France overall has a very low crime rate, but because it has far more blacks than Germany, Netherlands, UK, people assume some French neighborhoods are more dangerous.

There are no black neighborhoods in Berlin or Rome, so it must be more safe, I guess people assume.
Yeah, it's in Naples that i felt unsafe the only and it sure wasn't a black neighbourhood (Forcella as i have already said). Sometimes, people act according to unconscious racism, it is true that certain neighbourhoods that are mostly populated with immigrants aren't fully safe areas but the same can go with areas where they are a little minority. It's just that the latter aren't as noticed.
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Old 07-15-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Here in Düsseldorf I feel much safer in the Moroccan quarter on the eastside of the main station than near two places on the westside of the station where drunk German riffraff hang around. Quite a lot of "underclass" Germans tend to be very aggressive in my opinion.
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Sydney - it has a decent climate, a decent welfare state and Australia has a good economy, whilst housing is cheaper in parts of Australia than in many parts of the western world.

I wouldn't want to be poor in London, Paris or NYC, especially during the winter.

Whilst LA has too many gangs and shootings, and the poor have been displaced in San Francisco indeed California is more of a place where societies beautiful and succesful winners are celebrated, it is not really a place for losers.

I also would not want to be poor in Dubai or Hong Kong as both are very expensive places to live, whilst Tokyo is a vast mega city and Japanese Society is very much orientated towards educational attainment and success.
This sounds good, I would Sydney too.

Being poor in CA big cities is horrible, I don't know how many poor families out here do it.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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This sounds good, I would Sydney too.

Being poor in CA big cities is horrible, I don't know how many poor families out here do it.
Those are the lucky ones who got their section 8. The waiting list for that is about 10 years so those families are the ones who often don't make it.
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