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Old 08-04-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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For starters, you can't have a monopoly when you have two of something. Mono means one. Secondly, on this issue, Mexico is a better example of a one party rule system. For most of the last 100 years, one party was voted president. THAT's true monopolized corruption.

The only way we can level the playing field in the US for other parties which I do agree with, is if we get rid of delegates in the primaries/caucuses and electoral college in the general election. Those people are Democrats and Republicans. It will never be fair until we get rid of that system.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Corruption is corruption no matter the economy of the country it's being committed in.

the monitor at our local dog park is super corrupt and seems to blow his whistle only at the mutts, while letting the high falootin' purebreds run wild
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:32 AM
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Johnson is an open border Hillary fan, he'll gain no support
Yep okay okie doke if you say so. You overestimate the border issue.(Less than 10% of Americans think it's the most important problem facing the country).
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Yep okay okie doke if you say so. You overestimate the border issue.(Less than 10% of Americans think it's the most important problem facing the country).
Shhhh let them enforce the border. They will only be keeping people in as there are more people returning across the border than coming in now.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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Korea is mostly a two party system as well afaik.
South korea ,Germany, Scandinavia, Switzerland, Canada,Israel,Finland,New Zealand etc are all multi party systems where there is real competition and coalitions have to be formed. Even places like the uk have ukip gaining votes,Spain ,France and most of europe all have third parties . In a two party system like the US shares with Guyana, Tobago, ,Belize, Barbados and Zimbabwe, you basically have no competition

The republicans dont have to answer to a libertarian or more right wing party on say, their failures to cut the welfare state or their weakness on immigration or the democrats dont have to a more leftist party on their failures in the inner cities and their the loss of jobs overseas etc . We end up with hillary and trump to choose from, not exactly a choice between jefferson and adams
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Shhhh let them enforce the border. They will only be keeping people in as there are more people returning across the border than coming in now.
If you're illegal, you gotta go. They're breaking the law, we secure the border after kicking them out
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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If you're illegal, you gotta go. They're breaking the law, we secure the border after kicking them out
You um...missed the part where I said they are leaving didn't you?
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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You um...missed the part where I said they are leaving didn't you?
It doesn't fit their paranoid agenda.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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South korea ,Germany, Scandinavia, Switzerland, Canada,Israel,Finland,New Zealand etc are all multi party systems where there is real competition and coalitions have to be formed. Even places like the uk have ukip gaining votes,Spain ,France and most of europe all have third parties . In a two party system like the US shares with Guyana, Tobago, ,Belize, Barbados and Zimbabwe, you basically have no competition

The republicans dont have to answer to a libertarian or more right wing party on say, their failures to cut the welfare state or their weakness on immigration or the democrats dont have to a more leftist party on their failures in the inner cities and their the loss of jobs overseas etc . We end up with hillary and trump to choose from, not exactly a choice between jefferson and adams
Again I'm not sure if S. Korea could count as a multi-party system. Their two major parties do not get 50%+ of the seats in their Parliament respectively, but they have more than 80% of the seats collectively. That's not the same as say the Netherlands, a true multi-party system, where about a dozen parties are represented in the Tweede Kamer (imo that's the best).

Two party system sucks but it's not a result of corruption ... but the natural outcome of the voting system, plus historical and cultrual background. It's still better than a monopoly system, a la Japan.

Maybe in the not so distant future a third party is gonna surge in America. Who knows?
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Old 08-06-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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The melodrama...sheesh. Well, the U.S. isn't a banana republic, not even these days. You people have so much freedom and affluence you have to invent a nonsensical, paranoid persecution fantasy. Corruption? People in Venezuela these days are bribing border guards to let them sneak over to Colombia to buy a sack of flour or powdered milk. Get back to us when you have real problems to complain about. Use your freedoms and your democracy to change things. Just stop bellyaching.
Amen, Ottawa! Well said.
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