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Old 11-11-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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People have the constitutional right to protest. When a lot of angry people congregate, nasty things may happen. For whatever reason, or no reason at all. Sure, the police has to interfere with looting and rioting, but I don't want to limit the freedom to protest under no circumstances.

It's soon independence day here and the anarchists will protest and riot again. And it might turn into violence with the police and far right groups. But I'm not ready to take away those constitutional rights even if the reason for some is just to let off some steam and like "f**k the system, ACAB" and so on.
I have no problem with protests, as long as its limited to a certain degree and not causing too many problems for people not affected. Just saying "nasty things happen" is not enough control over this situation. Everybody who is harming any other person, or damaging any other persons property must be held responsible for that without any exception.

Als long as this does not limit the right of physical integrity of people who are not affected, and of cops who are defending those, and as long as they can and will take apropriate measures to protect innocent people, let the anarchists do. But don't listen to their whining after the first are shot down by the cops while attacking innocent people in the streets. Don't mess with the police, and don't forget that many Trump-voters are pro guns and well armed, so better don't give them any chance to take measures for self-defense.
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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People have the constitutional right to protest. When a lot of angry people congregate, nasty things may happen. For whatever reason, or no reason at all. Sure, the police has to interfere with looting and rioting, but I don't want to limit the freedom to protest under no circumstances.

It's soon independence day here and the anarchists will protest and riot again. And it might turn into violence with the police and far right groups. But I'm not ready to take away those constitutional rights even if the reason for some is just to let off some steam and like "f**k the system, ACAB" and so on.
The right to PEACEFUL assembly is guaranteed in the US Constitution. There is no right to vandalism, arson, assault, lewd and lascivious behavior or to interfere with commerce. These people are behaving like feral animals. They should be treated as such.
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The right to PEACEFUL assembly is guaranteed in the US Constitution. There is no right to vandalism, arson, assault, lewd and lascivious behavior or to interfere with commerce. These people are behaving like feral animals. They should be treated as such.
They'll calm down eventually. Rather see some insured shopping windows smashed than people killing each other.

Or then you have to listen to what they're actually saying.
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:36 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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But now when the Mexicans and other low-wage workers are thrown out, who is gonna build that wall? Stock brokers, journalists and firemen?
Most construction workers weren't and aren't illegal immigrants. Plenty others.

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People have the constitutional right to protest. When a lot of angry people congregate, nasty things may happen. For whatever reason, or no reason at all. Sure, the police has to interfere with looting and rioting, but I don't want to limit the freedom to protest under no circumstances.

It's soon independence day here and the anarchists will protest and riot again. And it might turn into violence with the police and far right groups. But I'm not ready to take away those constitutional rights even if the reason for some is just to let off some steam and like "f**k the system, ACAB" and so on.
Agree completely. Rather have a bit of chaos then loss freedom to protest or express oneself.
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Americans chose their President in a Democratic Election....
I was never a Clinton fan, and fully accept the democratic decision of the American people.
"Democratic election"? Well, if you mean one without massive voter fraud and/or government coercion, yes.

But the U.S. system for presidential elections is not a one person one vote system. Because of the antiquated Electoral College system, some people's votes are worth more than others, and ultimately millions of voter's ballots count for nothing.

I am not a Hillary fan, however she did win the majority of the popular vote, but she still lost. And the same was true went Bush won out over Al Gore. Mr. Gore received the majority of the popular vote, but he still lost. And this has happened in other American past presidential elections too.

So, "democratic election"? No, not true, the Americans do not have that for presidential elections.

If you voted for Mr. Trump but lived in a state where more people voted for Hillary, all of your state's Electoral College votes went to Hillary...and your popular vote and the votes of other people in your state who voted for Mr. Trump count for absolutely nothing. It is as if you did not vote at all....in your state your vote and that of everyone who voted like you vanish into thin air as far as the national vote is concerned!

It may be a free election. But such a system is not a "democratic election." It is preposterous when millions of popular votes count for nothing and disappear as if they were never cast!
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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30 arrests in Portland
200 in LA
60 in New York

The media is calling them protests and when they do call them riots, they call them Trump riots. In reality they are the Hillary Riots....
Indeed, they are pro-Hillary riots without a doubt.

But they are surely Trump riots in that he spoke like a thug during the election campaign, and promoted thuggish behavior by his supporters during his rallies. Therefore, these so-called Hillary supporters are really acting in the spirit of that thuggery.

You can't be a true American now if you aren't for thuggery. The new prez made that clear himself in his own campaign.
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Old 11-11-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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.... and don't forget that many Trump-voters are pro guns and well armed, so better don't give them any chance to take measures for self-defense.
Ah yes, seig heil for the Brownshirts! Is that it?
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Old 11-11-2016, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Ah yes, seig heil for the Brownshirts! Is that it?



It is just that if those riots become more and more violent, people have the right to defend themselves.

The best thing would just be all the idiots now finished expressing their unhappyness and get back to life. People have better things to do.
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Old 11-11-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Next stop Antarctica
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Trump ran his campaign on vilolence, abuse against Muslims, Jews, migrants, LGBTI now wants you all to love each other.
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Old 11-11-2016, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Estonia
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Trump ran his campaign on vilolence, abuse against Muslims, Jews, migrants, LGBTI now wants you all to love each other.
You're so edgy, bravo!
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