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View Poll Results: Is it a coincidence?
Yes 8 24.24%
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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American and Israeli scientists have no success, right?
Why are you assuming that all American and Israeli scientists are religious
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:21 PM
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Why are you assuming that all American and Israeli scientists are religious
Most Israeli's are secular Jews and many are atheist.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:29 PM
 
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Americans are, as a whole, pretty religious. The United States is the largest economy with the world, without California, and California alone is the 5th or 6th largest economy. If we are using GDP as success then it is a coincidence.

However, religion stateside is pretty diverse with the least religious areas mostly being the coast (and the interior West like where I live, Denver, etc.) with the "flyover" areas being more religious. The coasts usually provide most of the GDP. So maybe it isn't.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:32 PM
 
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A critical thinker will examine various religious or philosophical texts, and then apply whatever principles will best guide them in life.

Someone with poor critical thinking skills will commit themselves to a single religion. If your entire understanding of morality comes from one source (e.g. the Bible), then you've limited your potential.

Practicing positive principles from a range of sources should be favoured over having a religious identity.

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Old 12-04-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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A critical thinker will examine various religious or philosophical texts, and then apply whatever principles will best guide them in life.

Someone with poor critical thinking skills will commit themselves to a single religion. If your entire understanding of morality comes from one source (e.g. the Bible), then you've limited your potential.

Practicing positive principles from a range of sources should be encouraged more than having a fixed religious identity.
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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Why are you assuming that all American and Israeli scientists are religious
I'm not assuming that all American and Israeli scientists are religious. However, I've already shown you that ~50% of American scientists are. Considering that Israel is only slightly less religious than the US, it's safe to say that not all successful Israeli scientists are atheists.
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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Atheism & Average IQ (Countries):




Atheist population BELOW 10%, Average IQ below 92:
48 Countries

Atheist population ABOVE 10%, Average IQ below 92:
2 Countries


Atheist population BELOW 10%, Average IQ above 96:
2 Countries

Atheist population ABOVE 10%, Average IQ above 96:
29 Countries

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Old 12-04-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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20+% Atheist Countries in Bold.

"Freedom of the World 2016":


Free:
Andorra
Antigua & Barbuda
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Bahamas
Barbados
Belgium
Belize
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Botswana
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South Africa
South Korea
Spain
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Sweden
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Tonga
Trinidad & Tobago
Tunisia
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United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
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Partly Free:
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Timor-Leste
Togo
Turkey
Ukraine
Venezuela
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Not Free:
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Chad
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Sudan
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Thailand
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Old 12-04-2016, 10:30 PM
 
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I say its good education that makes people less religious.
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Why are almost all successful scientists atheists then?
You've shown charts that show that there are, on average, more atheists and agnostics among scientists than the general population.

The reason for this is that, for most of the 20th century, higher education has been a secularizing influence. Moreover, that pattern has recently reversed for college graduates born after 1970. What this means is that the correlation you see is more to do with the way that people are educated in college rather than some intrinsic relationship between atheism and scientific ability.




Reference: Schwadel, Philip (2014). Birth Cohort Changes in the Association Between College Education and Religious Non-Affiliation. Social Forces, 248: 1–28.

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Old 12-04-2016, 11:04 PM
 
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20+% Atheist Countries in Bold.

"Freedom of the World 2016":


Free:

Australia
"Atheist" is not the correct way to describe Australia. It's certainly secular, in that the government is constitutionally prohibited from interfering in religious activity, or establishing a church, so unlike many European countries there has never been a state sponsored church. Also, religion is generally viewed as being a "private" matter, so doesn't generally play an overt role in the daily lives of most.

But a clear majority of people do report a religious affiliation.
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