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Old 02-07-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Seceding entities don't normally have to "pay" the remaining entity for property and unmovable assets located on their territory. Since the people of the seceding entity also paid for stuff through their taxes that is found in other parts of the country that aren't separating. On this aspect of things, they almost always call it "even".
Exactly, well said. I think too many people think of secession like two people getting a divorce when it's a completely different situation.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Exactly, well said. I think too many people think of secession like two people getting a divorce when it's a completely different situation.
It really depends on how a secession is done.

While you are following the more reasonable approach, other's might say that California tax payers didn't pay enough for it. Frankly, I'm with Ariete and I'd say that only a Czechoslovakian-style separation might be successful. With all terms agreed upon with each other beforehand.

Otherwise, I don't see California being recognised by anyone.
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Old 02-13-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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Not Spain, as Spain does not recognize any new nation because internal problems (Catalonia).
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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It really depends on how a secession is done.

While you are following the more reasonable approach, other's might say that California tax payers didn't pay enough for it. Frankly, I'm with Ariete and I'd say that only a Czechoslovakian-style separation might be successful. With all terms agreed upon with each other beforehand.

Otherwise, I don't see California being recognised by anyone.
These are good points and that's what happened with the Confederate States when they tried to leave. No other countries recognized them so they were doomed from the start.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Default Likelihood of international recognition if California were to declare independence (legal, drought)

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Some of you may know that there is a growing independence movement in California. Let me first say THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT THE CHANCES OF CALIFORNIA GAINING INDEPENDENCE. This is a question for non Americans in other parts of the world to weigh in on whether or not their country and/or neighboring countries would recognized California if it tried to break free.
Basically any county that wants to go to war with the United States. And beyond that, have incredibly bad relations with the Americans for generations to come.

So basically the list will very short.

Few, if any US Allies will recognize California, unless the USA recognized California itself - and that is NOT going to happen if Trump is President. Large nations like China and India will also not recognize California because they do not want to encourage separatist movements. Latin America will sympathetic to California Independence but will mostly not recognize it because they do not want to damage their relations with the US. And Latin America will be under intense diplomatic pressure not to recognize California, not only from the Americans but by the EU and China as well.

Who will recognize California Independence? Unlikely but maybe countries like Iran and Venezuela - nations with governments that care more about staying in power with anti-American sentiment now then the long term future of their nations. Also Al-Queda and ISIS.
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Old 02-18-2017, 05:06 PM
 
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It would break up into various states like Jefferson and LA county etc before the whole state ever left. The proposed state of Jefferson is nothing like the bay area or LA county.
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Old 02-18-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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The Washington Post has this piece on the issue tonight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8c22901c9802

I agree with the person quoted who says the proposal has zero chance. The proponents sound like a misfit group of wannabe hippies.
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