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Old 02-04-2017, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Mostly due to the nature of the territories. Korea and Taiwan were supposed to be integrated into the Empire of Japan suppressing the native culture, but also developing the infrastructure while being still effectually under martial law. IMO that puts them in another basket than for example the African colonies.

Legally of course they were colonies or like colonies.
Well but here the consensus is that Japan was a coloniser and we were a colony.
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Japan was a major colonial power just like Britain, France, USA and Germany. This is not disputable, it is fact. Just like Europe however they are not obligated to take in refugees as some sort of pennatence for this past sin. They have a right to protect thier nation and culture from the effects of unwanted immigration just like we do.
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Well but here the consensus is that Japan was a coloniser and we were a colony.
Ok, then be so.
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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Japan was a major colonial power just like Britain, France, USA and Germany. This is not disputable, it is fact. Just like Europe however they are not obligated to take in refugees as some sort of pennatence for this past sin. They have a right to protect thier nation and culture from the effects of unwanted immigration just like we do.
Japan does not even have to take refugees or immigrants from Africa or India. They should just at least be open to immigration from their former colonies in Asia. Their cultures probably aren't that different and it could help with the falling birth rate. I was also reading how many Japanese men cannot find women. Maybe if more Filipinas and other women who have been colonized by the Japanese enter Japan, you could stop a falling birth rate and have more Japanese men date women in Japan.
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:44 AM
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Location: Ontario
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Not for anything, but Japan doesn't exactly have much room for immigrants. Heck, they barely have enough room for their own population. You can't squeeze blood out of a stone.
Maybe....but Japan's population is decreasing...forecast to have less than 100 million
by 2050....it has an aging population.

On the flip side, most African nations are exploding with increasing population,
for example, Nigeria is predicted to have a population of about 288 million by 2050
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Japan has never touted itself as welcoming toward immigrants. Europe and the US have and readily take in immigrants from Africa and most of Asia. When these countries refuse refugees, they are criticized for being hypocritical more than anything.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Japan is densely populated, but roughly as densely as Belgium. Japan has also the 3rd largest forest cover of its area after Sweden and Finland. It's not like Japan would be running out of physical space, especially now when the population this year will shrink by 300,000.

Japan is very well known as being... well... hostile to immigration and most people know that. Secondly, it has no conflicts going on in their back yard. Thirdly, it's never a part of any conflicts. Japan's xenophobia has been well critisised during the years.

Some European countries have been reprimanded for not accepting ANY refugees. A million migrants and Poland, the Baltic States, Slovakia et al won't even take 1000 of them. The EU has poured hundreds of billions of euros into these countries and they won't show any solidarity.

The US is being reprimanded for being a nation of immigrants and built by immigrants, and now they won't clean up their mess they started.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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Japan is densely populated, but roughly as densely as Belgium. Japan has also the 3rd largest forest cover of its area after Sweden and Finland. It's not like Japan would be running out of physical space, especially now when the population this year will shrink by 300,000.

Japan is very well known as being... well... hostile to immigration and most people know that. Secondly, it has no conflicts going on in their back yard. Thirdly, it's never a part of any conflicts. Japan's xenophobia has been well critisised during the years.

Some European countries have been reprimanded for not accepting ANY refugees. A million migrants and Poland, the Baltic States, Slovakia et al won't even take 1000 of them. The EU has poured hundreds of billions of euros into these countries and they won't show any solidarity.

The US is being reprimanded for being a nation of immigrants and built by immigrants, and now they won't clean up their mess they started.


This is very true. The US isn't taking personal responsibility for majorly f**king up Iraq and contributing to creating a breeding ground for terrorist groups to fester and exploit the local populations. The US pretty much destroyed the country and the chaos spread to Syria. ISIS totally exploited this open territory from day one.

The worst part is, Iraquis had nothing to do with 9-11 and the US is still best buddies with Saudi Arabia, even though most of the attackers were Saudi.

The true victims here are Iraquis and now Syrians. But, you see the pampered Americans acting like spoiled brats whining and crying about some refugees when their actions majorly contributed to this whole mess.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:34 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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What colonies did Japan have?
Imperial Japan didn't have colonies - they had conquered territory, & they treated it as such. All resources - labor, comfort women, food, ores, POL, wood, gold, gems, artworks - everything was subject to taking by IJ, & they didn't bother to leave food, for instance, for the natives, nor seed for the next crop. Resistance was crushed, POWs were put to target practice or slave labor, & native civilians were only a step up, tolerated if they worked, put down otherwise.

There is still a substantial population of Koreans & likely others in Japan today, 70+ years after WWII, who are not formally Japanese, nor treated as Japanese. They speak Japanese, they have real difficulties marrying - because Japanese marriage brokers typically (TMK) won't pair them up with native Japanese.

On the question of ethnicity, Japan apparently prefers to wither away as a nation than to change the makeup of the home islands.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default More like the Nazis in E. Europe/W. USSR

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Japan was a major colonial power just like Britain, France, USA and Germany. This is not disputable, it is fact. Just like Europe however they are not obligated to take in refugees as some sort of pennatence for this past sin. They have a right to protect thier nation and culture from the effects of unwanted immigration just like we do.
Yah. The test is simple: Which of the countries conquered by Imperial Japan longs to have them back in charge? Not a one, TMK. In fact, every time that Japan tinkers with its history curriculum (for the 1920s CE, 1930s, WWII) in the public schools, the countries ravaged by Imperial Japan protest loudly any whitewashing of IJ's rampage throughout the Far East - that's everyone that was within the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

IJ seriously mismanaged its conquered territories, & in fact impoverished them by taking all finished products, crops, manpower, & anything else that wasn't nailed down, for their own use. All without any regard for next year's crops, labor, production.
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