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Old 02-10-2017, 07:43 PM
 
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Try to sugarcoat it all you want, the Iraq war was a poor decision.
It was a horrible decision which I also opposed before the start. However, I am also capable of understanding that it was a God awful place before the US invasion and it had a history of belligerent behavior with its neighbors as well as massacring its own people.

Yes, ISIS has taken advantage of power vacuums, but what happened in Syria was a case of Assad squashing an uprising that he felt threatened his power. The start of the Syrian civil war had little to do with the US, despite your trying to assign blame there.
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Old 02-10-2017, 10:56 PM
 
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It was a horrible decision which I also opposed before the start. However, I am also capable of understanding that it was a God awful place before the US invasion and it had a history of belligerent behavior with its neighbors as well as massacring its own people.

Yes, ISIS has taken advantage of power vacuums, but what happened in Syria was a case of Assad squashing an uprising that he felt threatened his power. The start of the Syrian civil war had little to do with the US, despite your trying to assign blame there.


I never tried to assign blame there.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:26 PM
 
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It was a horrible decision which I also opposed before the start. However, I am also capable of understanding that it was a God awful place before the US invasion and it had a history of belligerent behavior with its neighbors as well as massacring its own people.

Yes, ISIS has taken advantage of power vacuums, but what happened in Syria was a case of Assad squashing an uprising that he felt threatened his power. The start of the Syrian civil war had little to do with the US, despite your trying to assign blame there.
I disagree with you there. The issue in Syria had a lot to do initially with border regions of Iraq which we destabilized with our little intervention. We, the US, should not be the gatekeepers of the world and certainly shouldn't be doing it on economic principles (why is it that we didn't invade far more oppressive regimes with few resources useful to us in the rest of the world, eh?). In the end, it's a question of how expansive is our culpability and blame for all of this, and the best, though not the most noble, tactic would have been for the US to step aside even after the crapshoot we institued. It's not like we knew there was a winning strategy of all of this, so we should've left alone. That doesn't mean we're not complicit in it, but it also isn't reasonable to get further involved.

Basically, in my view, the W administration led to this mess, and the Obama administration didn't feel good about leaving the pot alone after the previous administration stirred it and ended up doing the same line of crap things. I don't blame Obama entirely for all of it, but I do wish we had a remarkable leader that had the will and leadership to get us out of it.

But crap almighty was that a massive miscalculation on our (the US's) part. It was mentioned by various peoples that it would come back to haunt is, and it really, really did. That war in Iraq is probably the worst geopolitical and economic blunder the US has ran into, even worse that Vietnam which had at least smaller stakes. Such incredible idiocy and it kills me that the voting public for that blunder shook that off and were the main base for voting in this current administration. I wish there was some reflection on that part where if someone voted for W, especially the re-election, and saw the terrible results, that they might recuse themselves from voting again, but that's not what happened.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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Why would Japan want to accept them?

Japan already have enough internal troubles.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:49 PM
 
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Why would Japan want to accept them?

Japan already have enough internal troubles.
All European countries have internal troubles.
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