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Old 11-23-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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As a practical matter, there are two options, both of which preclude the scenario of the OP.

1. If the US became a third-world country, every other country in the world probably would, too, so there would be no advantage to going elsewhere.

2. Or, if some countries remained first-world, they would not let Amerians in, any more readily than we let Mexicans or Africans or Asians in. Even today, there are very few countries that an Amerian can fairly easily immigrat into and live there. Most developed countries today keep Amerians out, because they don't want us sponging off their free health care.
I feel it has more to do with the fact that most of Europe already has enough highly-skilled workers and a wave of middle-class Americans would overwhlem their not-so-fast growing economies. If America did collaspe, I could imagine Japan, China, India and the EU buying up our companies and maybe bringing some of us over there. Maybe the UK will take us back?
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Old 11-23-2008, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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Dubai or Nigeria.
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Sanford, FL
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In spite of Bush's and Greenspan's efforts to turn the US into a third world country, the US standard of living is still extremely high. Regardless of how bad things get, we will all be dead before the US standard of living is not in the top 5 or top 10 countries in the world.


Well, we're at number 10 right now and slipping according to this UN study which mirrors other studies.

Human Development Index
The UN Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, childbirth, and other factors for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. The index was developed in 1990 by the Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq, and has been used since 1993 by the United Nations Development Programme in its annual Human Development Report.

The HDI measures the average achievements in a country in three basic dimensions of human development:

A long and healthy life, as measured by life expectancy at birth.
Knowledge, as measured by the adult literacy rate (with two-thirds weight) and the combined primary, secondary, and tertiary gross enrolment ratio (with one-third weight).
A decent standard of living, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP) per capita at purchasing power parity (PPP) in USD.

Each year, UN member states are listed and ranked according to these measures. Those high on the list often advertise it, as a means of attracting talented immigrants (economically, individual capital) or discouraging emigration.

An alternative measure, focusing on the amount of poverty in a country, is the Human Poverty Index.


Top thirty countries (HDI range from 0.963 down to 0.878)
Norway (=)
Iceland (↑ 5)
Australia (=)
Luxembourg (↑ 11)
Canada (↓ 1)
Sweden (↓ 4)
Switzerland (↑ 4)
Ireland (↑ 2)
Belgium (↓ 3)
United States (↓ 2)
Japan (↓ 2)
Netherlands (↓ 7)
Finland (=)
Denmark (↑ 3)
United Kingdom (↓ 3)
France (=)
Austria (↓ 3)
Italy (↑ 3)
New Zealand (↓ 1)
Germany (↓ 1)
Spain (↓ 1)
Hong Kong (↑ 1)
Israel (↓ 1)
Greece (=)
Singapore (=)
Slovenia (↑ 1)
Portugal (↓ 1)
South Korea (=)
Cyprus (↑ 1)
Barbados (↓ 1)
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:33 AM
 
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I would be interested in moving to a place that is booming and will be for at least a while. Because I think about the Polish and Slovaks and Italians that came to Pennsylvania and there were readily available jobs in the mines and mills. Someplace where I could just show up and find a decent job by the end of the day, performing some task that is booming but not oppressive, like the steel mills used to be 50 years ago. And though those immigrants to PA didn't speak English, they settled into their enclaves to make life in a strange land more bearable. So I would need a bit of an American enclave, because I ONLY speak English. Then, having found my new career and my English speaking neighborhood, I could settle in and begin to acclimate to my new surroundings, and learn some of the new language.

So many Appalachians went to Detroit and Cleveland and the industrial towns in the 50s and 60s, because the jobs were readily available. They got their jobs in the plants, settled in neighborhoods with other hillbilly migrants, and began to adjust to their new industrialized, flat land environment. It actually sounds easy to me, though they probably encountered prejudice.

So, is there any place in North America, South America, Europe, or Australia that I can experience this today? Or are those days over for the immediate future. If they are, I might as well stay in West Virginia.
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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Niceguy your study is really old, this is the one from 2008. Actually your rankings must be from like 2000.
  1. Iceland 0.968 ()
  2. Norway 0.968 ()
  3. Canada 0.967 ( 1)
  4. Australia 0.965 ( 1)
  5. Ireland 0.960 ()
  6. Netherlands 0.958 ( 3)
  7. Sweden 0.958 ( 1)
  8. Japan 0.956 ()
  9. Luxembourg 0.956 ( 9)
  10. Switzerland 0.955 ( 3)
  11. France 0.955 ( 1)
  12. Finland 0.954 ( 1)
  13. Denmark 0.952 ( 1)
  14. Austria 0.951 ( 1)
  15. United States 0.950 ( 3)
For #1 country

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Canada has been ranked the highest eight times, followed by Norway at six times. Japan has been ranked highest three times and Iceland twice.
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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I love America too much to leave. Would you stay or would you emigrate ?
I'll probably emigrate even if it stays where it is, at the bottom rank of the first world.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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If that happened Kentucky would become an independent country and put huge taxes on our coal which produces 50% of electricity in the US
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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If that happened Kentucky would become an independent country and put huge taxes on our coal which produces 50% of electricity in the US

Huh?

I know it's a hypothetical topic, folks, but let's try and sort stick with the topic
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:30 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Well I live in a "third world" country, and I also lived in another one "third world" country for a couple of years, and I also lived in the USA for sometime, so I'm not scared of that "dreaded" third world. Actually I enjoy my life, I enjoy visiting the US too, but I feel more confortable in those "dreaded" third world countries.

imho the "first world" is overvalued. but that's just me.

So, i really don't care much if a country becomes first world or third world, what matters to me is the quality of life i'm having, which is independent of the "status" of a country. imho it's more a state of mind, and travelling, living in other countries, learning other cultures and languages opens the mind, freeing it from old ideas and concepts that restrict it's freedom.

Last edited by Travelling fella; 06-03-2009 at 11:08 PM..
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Hmmm. I would wait first to see the effect in America first. If I live out retirement with the ability to grow a lot of my own food then that would be a concern solved. Maybe.

Heaven help the US if it ever came to that with all the immigration here.

I'd probably go along with someone else's answer about Spain or Portugal, but the economy in those countries isn't so good, either. And it would definitely be a major culture shock/change for me. Going somewhere would only be another pasture with its own "pies".

Oh second thought, maybe I'd seek out another Kervorkian.
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