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Old 05-23-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Ideal to omit these blasphemous theories of a superpower. Such melancholic circumstances to have a monopolization of dominance to any independent sovereign republic. Better to ignore these USA versus China debates of current modernity for now on. Especially when continuing to be heavily skewed towards the USA. Let’s remember all of the more than 50 countries that are equal in alliance out there. Including tons of measures on quality of life or tourism. There are even maps displaying those more well balanced geographic positioning of nations upstaging those giant behemoths. For one situation, the Global Peace Index are having South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Bhutan, Australia, New Zealand, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Cyprus, Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Slovenia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Croatia, Argentina, Chile, Canada way above China or USA on these particular matters.

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Old 05-24-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Ideal to omit these blasphemous theories of a superpower. Such melancholic circumstances to have a monopolization of dominance to any independent sovereign republic. Better to ignore these USA versus China debates of current modernity for now on. Especially when continuing to be heavily skewed towards the USA. Let’s remember all of the more than 50 countries that are equal in alliance out there. Including tons of measures on quality of life or tourism. There are even maps displaying those more well balanced geographic positioning of nations upstaging those giant behemoths. For one situation, the Global Peace Index are having South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Bhutan, Australia, New Zealand, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Cyprus, Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Slovenia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Croatia, Argentina, Chile, Canada way above China or USA on these particular matters.
That map is the global peace index? Just curious. What does that mean exactly?
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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No.

Look at my comment again - I said China is nowhere near as powerfull as Soviets were back than when USSR was considered superpower.

I was not comparing 2017 China with 2017 Russia, I compared 2017 China in this world with cold war USSR in those times. It was different world, back than all those major countries/population wise/ and emerging economies like Nigeria, Indonesia, Brazil, India were not so relevant in global relations. International relations and power balance was different, we had bipolar world and Soviet role and position was clear to everyone.

How I said -China has big economy and population, but that´s it - so far limited sof power, their army is also nowhere near as powerfull as US army, their world position and world role is not of a superpower, this is also mostly Chinese decision, because they mantain foreign policy based on neutrality and are not agressive in way USA or USSR were in cold war - funding allies and keeping security commitments around the globe.

Now look at USSR in cold war times.

2nd largest economy - until Japan overtook them, also largest manufacterer of many goods and products/steel, machines and so on/.

huge military - rivaling US military at that time, USA was stronger in some segments - NAVY, while USSR in others - like ground forces, had larger nuclear arsenal and so on.

Political and global role - USSR was the main rival to USA and western world with exporting their communist and socialist ideas to many countries in era of decolonization, exporting weapons on debts/that were never paid/ and keeping alliances around the world/

They had their own military and economic blocks and satellite states they controled.

China in 2017´s world is nowhere near status USSR had in cold war times.

China is arguably economically in stronger position now than USSR ever was in their era mostly, because world is now more connected that ever, on other hand Soviet military and political position back than was far more impressive than what Chinese military and political position is in 2017.
I'm not sure if China cares about being a military superpower. Sure they want to be able to hold their own and be respected, but I don't think they are out to be the global military power. China is far more focused on economics and trade then the Soviet Union was. I don't think it's fair to compare since they have different goals. China just opened their first military base outside of China in Ethiopia to combat ocean piracy. There are at least 6 other countries with naval bases in that country including the US, Japan, and France. I just don't think China has ambitious military goals.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Finland
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That map is the global peace index? Just curious. What does that mean exactly?
"The index gauges global peace using three broad themes: the level of safety and security in society, the extent of domestic and international conflict and the degree of militarization."

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I just don't think China has ambitious military goals.
It sure does, as it aspires to become a blue-water navy for example.
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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the soviet union was never near as powerful as the usa portrayed it as being , its economy was less powerful than that of japan three or four years before it demised

nor was the soviet union as much of a threat to peace as america made it out to be , the soviets had a radical idealogical view which america would not tolerate and this is why it was opposed to the extent it was , the soviet union was more economically independent than china , chinas enormous labour resources allowed it to grow substantially but its a factory for the western economies for the most part and has few natural resources , its also politically not that influential , its power is much less than portrayed just like americas power is underestimated

the usa can more or less do what it likes , trump is just the first to nakedly and unashamedly remind us of this reality and doent try and present it in a remotely subtle way
Agree that USSR wasn´t as powerfull as US media made them to be, all that propaganda about red scare and commies taking over the world was just propaganda.

USSR never had money and even political system to ,,run the world,,.

Simply back than world was different, not globalized like today, thanks to decolonization we had new countries on the map basically every year and those new countries that tried to get rid of colonial ties and western dominance had only 1 choice left - USSR as their friend, ally, protector whatever. Also idea of socialism was few decades ago pretty popular in many of those new independent countries.

Also USSR and their allies were ,,almost independent,, economically from western countries in 2017 world this is something impossible with globalization and western multinational corporations present in basically every country around the world.
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Old 05-25-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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China is coming but their per capita GDP is still way below any Western nation. Will be interesting to see how China handles a rapidly aging population while having strict immigration limits. I think without 20 years the shrinking labor pool will raise wages and push many jobs to South Asia and Africa. Things seem tense now but I still think the USA has a brighter future than Europe. USA has 2 main competing cultures, Europe has 50 and they don't even speak the same language.
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Old 05-27-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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As long as China is the second largest country of origin (after the Russkies) conducting industrial espionage in the small country of Finland, and child labour producing my sneakers, I have difficulties to think of China as anything else but a Lame Power.
China does not really have a child labor issue. In fact only morons believe a country with one-child policy would have such an issue.
(Yes occasionally it still occurs, just like in America.)

What can China steal from Finland? A bankrupted company like Nokia? Huawei of China is 100 times better than Nokia in any aspect.
BTW, many "Finnish companies" are actually owned by China:

In 2016, Tencent acquired 84 percent of the gaming company Supercell. The worth of the total acquisition was a whopping eight billion euros. In addition, China-based National Semiconductor Industry Group (NSIG) acquired Finnish Okmetic for 170 million euros. Furthermore, Chinese smart device platform technology company Thundersoft picked up Rightware, a Finnish provider of automotive user interface software. The deal was worth 64 million euros.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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lol, a nation made basically by immigrants, "dragged by immigration"? that suprematist flawed logic still making noise out there?
The sheer hypocrisy of the Trumpkins never ceases to amaze me.

The irony is that the White population is now in decline in nearly 20 states. Within a decade, the White population will begin to decline in absolute numbers. Immigration is the only thing stopping us from becoming another Japan (aka Demographic Disaster).
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:59 AM
 
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The sheer hypocrisy of the Trumpkins never ceases to amaze me.
Because the USA has never, in its history, chosen to bar immigration from other nations based on socioeconomic criteria.
That would be foundationally and historically unamerican.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Act_of_1875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geary_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

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Old 05-28-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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What can China steal from Finland? A bankrupted company like Nokia? Huawei of China is 100 times better than Nokia in any aspect.
BTW, many "Finnish companies" are actually owned by China:
I tend to trust the National Bureau of Investigation, which says that China is the largest nation conducting industrial espionage in Finland.
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