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Old 06-30-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: London, United Kingdom
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There is no such thing as free healthcare. Somebody always has to pay.
Well of course its not free if you earn enough money you have to pay taxes that go to the government who fund the healthcare system from some of that tax money.

But if you don't earn enough money, or is unemployed, disabled or young/old you don't get charged any healthcare costs.

Free at the point of delivery

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The NHS was created out of the ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. When it was launched by the then minister of health, Aneurin Bevan, on July 5 1948, it was based on three core principles: that it meet the needs of everyone. that it be free at the point of delivery.
That's one wonderful aspect of the UK is its free healthcare system though its said to be going downhill I still wouldn't complain about the nhs. Its a safety net, I know if I get hurt or ignored there's people in a hospital that will help me get better 24 hours a day.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:35 AM
 
Location: the dairyland
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New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Harvard Gazette

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Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health.
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Deaths associated with lack of health insurance now exceed those caused by many common killers such as kidney disease.
'Nuff said.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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It's unbelievable that someone would use this case to try to make an argument against universal health care. That makes no sense. And the OP already stated that no explanation of his thought process is necessary ("nuff said"), so I guess we're done here? Thread over?

While the rest of the developed world has largely accepted the government’s role in ensuring affordable health care, the US remains stuck in an endless debate full of misinformation perpetuated by rich interest groups.
OP doesn't understand what he is talking about.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:32 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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I still believe it still shouldn't be up to the courts to decide. A parent should have the right to decide whether or not they want to give their child an experimental procedure.
Human Rights Laws apply equally under private health care systems or universal healthcare systems, and the European Court of Human Rights even had Doctors and exerts from European countries look at the case and they came to exectly the same conclusion as the British Doctors and Medical Experts.

In terms of the parents they do generally have the right to seek treatment overseas in most cases where the child is not suffering and in pain and where it's in the childs best interests to do so. However this was not the case in relation to this child who is severally brain damaged already, needs to be on a ventilator to breathe and has to be drip fed, and is terminally ill and in pain and the treatment offered was not designed to be curative, so the child is going to die with or without the experimental treatment.

Who is Charlie Gard, what is the mitochondrial disease he suffers from and why was there a legal battle?

It's not appriopriate to subject dying children who are in pain to medical experimentation especially when it is not curative and will not prevent the childs death or lead to a better quality of life, as the child will be in even more pain and subjected to more suffering, whilst the severe brain damage and reliance on a ventilator to breathe as well as being drip fed will never change until the terminally ill child dies.






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Old 07-01-2017, 06:30 AM
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Location: Ontario
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Well of course its not free if you earn enough money you have to pay taxes that go to the government who fund the healthcare system from some of that tax money.

But if you don't earn enough money, or is unemployed, disabled or young/old you don't get charged any healthcare costs.

Free at the point of delivery



That's one wonderful aspect of the UK is its free healthcare system though its said to be going downhill I still wouldn't complain about the nhs. Its a safety net, I know if I get hurt or ignored there's people in a hospital that will help me get better 24 hours a day.
Yes, I like that when I go to a walk in clinic, or a hospital, I just show my Health Card,
no money changing hands, no invoice. Of course it's not "free" and I pay for it with my taxes,
but it s much better than the alternative.
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Old 07-01-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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What a cheap point to discredit universal healthcare. What I don't understand is why anyone can be against the concept of free healthcare for the population?
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Return2FL View Post
There is no such thing as free healthcare. Somebody always has to pay.
Of course. The question is though, which is a better deal? Not only for cost across the country as a whole, but for the individual?
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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While the rest of the developed world has largely accepted the government’s role in ensuring affordable health care, the US remains stuck in an endless debate full of misinformation perpetuated by rich interest groups. OP doesn't understand what he is talking about.
Spot on, and the corresponding dumbing down via funneling away funding from public education along with the devastating damage of a generation or two taking in Fox News' propaganda is paying dividends to the oligarchy that's really behind the "government" in this country.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The pope has gotten involved now, the world is now seeing the EU death panels.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:39 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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The pope has gotten involved now, the world is now seeing the EU death panels.
What death panels? What's the Pope doing? Link, please?
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