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Old 07-21-2017, 09:46 AM
Location: Finland
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Addams View Post
You're not going to convince me that the court holds the right to make this decision. The child belongs to the parents, not the state (I hope we can all agree on that). Now if they (the state) wanted to bring in doctors to try and dissuade the parents, then by all means go for it, but don't look them in the eyes and say they can't legally fight for their child's life how they see fit.
No the child does not 'belong' to the parents, he's not a bloody object, he's a human being with rights of his own and in this case his rights trump his parents' rights. Children are not owned by their parents, children have their own human rights and their parents cannot do whatever they want with them - this is true in the US as well as in the UK (although the US is not quite as good on the issue of children's rights as the UK but it does recognise them in cases of abuse for instance)
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Old 07-22-2017, 02:10 AM
Location: Great Britain
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A new comprehensive four hour MRI scan o Charlie Gards brain has made very sad reading. The case will conclude on this Monday and Tuesday, and it looks increasingly like Charlie Gard will remain in he care of Great Ormond Street Hospital t receve palliative (life ending) care before his ife support machines are eventually switched off.

Charlie Gard case: Latest report 'makes sad reading' - BBC News

New Charlie Gard scan makes for 'sad reading'

Charlie Gard's parents break down as they are told latest scan is 'very sad' - Telegraph
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:27 AM
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If anyone want to know something about American health system, I can suggest that article:

Healthcare: Service or Business?
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Old 07-22-2017, 07:23 PM
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Do people even realize that Great Ormond Street hospital is a private organisation? This thread was farce from the very beginning.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:28 AM
Location: Great Britain
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Charlie Gard's parents withdraw request for change to original order as they have now seen the MRI Evidence and Charlie will now receive the original palliative care and the turning off of the life support machines at Great Ormond Street Hospital.

Charlie Gard: Parents end legal fight to take baby to US - BBC News

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Old 07-24-2017, 02:35 PM
Location: Great Britain
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It turns out the US Doctor Michio Hirano had a financial interest in the experimental compound and produced very little credible evidence. He was happy to take the families money though.

US doctor who wanted to treat Charlie Gard 'had financial interest' says GOSH | Metro News

Great Ormond Street hits out at US doctor over Charlie Gard

Originally Posted by Great Ormond Street Hospital

Throughout, his parents’ hopes have been sustained by advice received from overseas.

Mitochondrial disorders comprise a specialised and small international field. The experts in that field meet, collaborate and exchange ideas on a very regular basis and it is that valued collaboration that allows progress to be made and patients to be provided with the best possible care.

Professor Hirano (“the Professor”), whose laboratory research has an international reputation, is very well known to the experts at GOSH and he communicated with them about NBT treatment for Charlie at the very end of December.

In January, GOSH invited the Professor to come and see Charlie. That invitation remained open at all times but was not taken up until 18 July after being extended, once again, this time by the Court.

In the months between January and July, the Professor provided written and oral evidence for the best interests hearing in April and, after the Court decided that NBT was not in Charlie’s best interests, he went on to provide further written evidence for the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court. Most recently, on 6 July, he co-signed the letter indicating that he had new information that changed the picture for Charlie, that brought this case back before the High Court.

When the hospital was informed that the Professor had new laboratory findings causing him to believe NBT would be more beneficial to Charlie than he had previously opined, GOSH’s hope for Charlie and his parents was that that optimism would be confirmed.

It was, therefore, with increasing surprise and disappointment that the hospital listened to the Professor’s fresh evidence to the Court. On 13 July he stated that not only had he not visited the hospital to examine Charlie but in addition, he had not read Charlie’s contemporaneous medical records or viewed Charlie’s brain imaging or read all of the second opinions about Charlie’s condition (obtained from experts all of whom had taken the opportunity to examine him and consider his records) or even read the Judge’s decision made on 11 April.

Further, GOSH was concerned to hear the Professor state, for the first time, whilst in the witness box, that he retains a financial interest in some of the NBT compounds he proposed prescribing for Charlie.

Devastatingly, the information obtained since 13 July gives no cause for optimism. Rather, it confirms that whilst NBT may well assist others in the future, it cannot and could not have assisted Charlie.

It is hoped that those who, like the Professor, have provided the opinions that have so sustained Charlie’s parents, their hopes and thus this protracted litigation with its many consequences, will also find much upon which to reflect.

Great Ormond Street Hospital position statement at High Court on 24 July 2017

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Old 07-25-2017, 02:59 AM
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That title is absurd and false.-

Should be replaced by this othe title.-"Because in Europe it works very well public health generalized
and free".

In Spain the population is delighted with this health .
The only concern is that it incluides the most expensive and modern medicines and this kind of medicine is becoming more dificult to sustain or pay.-

USA is a coutry richer than Spain so it could pay this health even better than Spain .-
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