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Old 07-13-2017, 04:37 AM
 
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Obama kept peace for 8 years, stabilized the economy after the 2008 crisis, killed bin Laden, legalized gay marriage...

Compare this to Trump: In less than 6 months he already initiated the end of humanity by withdrawing from the Paris climate deal. He still has 4 years though, more to come .
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:40 AM
 
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José María Aznar. The best president in the history of Spain:

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Old 07-13-2017, 05:10 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Obama kept peace for 8 years, stabilized the economy after the 2008 crisis, killed bin Laden, legalized gay marriage...

Compare this to Trump: In less than 6 months he already initiated the end of humanity by withdrawing from the Paris climate deal. He still has 4 years though, more to come .
Oh, please.

There is nothing remarkable about either of these two characters in a rather boring display of cheap political theater. Really not worth wasting any more bandwidth on them.
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Old 07-13-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Depending on which world.
If we are talking of the material world of living people, there are no leader.
But in the underworld - Hell, Hades, Inferno, Geena - whatever you call it - there are a lot of leaders who came to there this century and are disputing the place with the devil. Below a short sample of the list:

Hugo Chávez
Fidel Castro
Kim Jong Il
Muamar Gaddafi
Osama bin Laden
Saparmurat Niyazov
Slobodan Milosevic
Idi Amin

The list will be long if we include the alive leaders, which will be in the hell still in this century.
Many, if not most of them, are currently head of government.
Dafuq?

What are you talking about with those dictators and terrorists?
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Vladimir Putin.


Not this one...
impressive, he rides a trike
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Why would any person in the right mind be "pro-Putin?"
I understand that at this point he is a "necessity" for Russians (because the direction he took the country in, is too late to change,) that's why it's difficult to contest him, but that doesn't mean that he is a "good guy."
One-party system, corruption, nepotism - I mean what's good about it?
And money, money above all - that's what rules Putin's Russia; why would any left-minded person appreciate this kind of "leadership?"
But initially it were Clintons ( the great democrats you know) that were promoting the idea of the "wild capitalism" in Russia. ( See, Democracy was reserved exclusively for the US in their eyes, and Great Democratic US were supposed to take over the world with the help of the Great Democratic American Corporations. This was the plan, as far as I can see. ) So Russia (the originally "left" country) was deprived of the opportunity to recover and to follow the "European path" of mixed economy. She was pushed into the "wild capitalism" instead with the "survival of the fittest," but surprise-surprise, instead of subordinate Yeltsin, Clintons received Putin, whose "corporate appetites" are not worse than theirs.
And what's even more amazing - the US ( unlike Russia) were founded on the RIGHT wing ideas after all, so now instead of the Clintons wet dream, the right forces came to power in the US, while Russia is more belligerent than ever.

There is God after all.
This was Moscow in the 90's under Yeltsin...


This is Moscow today under Putin...
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Dafuq?

What are you talking about with those dictators and terrorists?
Did you read the header of my post?
Again:

"Depending on which world.
If we are talking of the material world of living people, there are no leader.
But in the underworld - Hell, Hades, Inferno, Geena - whatever you call it - there are a lot of leaders who came to there this century and are disputing the place with the devil."
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Well, but still they are no great leaders but just dead dictators in hell ^^ Hopefully they aren't doing anything there.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Well, but still they are no great leaders but just dead dictators in hell ^^ Hopefully they aren't doing anything there.
The fact is that there are no great leaders in the 21th century in the world. A leader is a leader because he is an inspiration, he changes the mind of a generation, he breaks former ideas. Leadership by fear, like the "leaders" of the contemporary world - Putin included - are not really leaders, they are autocrats. Maybe the aforementioned Pepe Mujica and the pope Francis are the only people able to be qualified as world leaders, but only the time will tell. If there are some leaders, they are leading something not in *this* world, but in the "underworld". Because of this, I listed that dead dictators and terrorists, all of them self-named as "leaders". World is better without them.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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José María Aznar. The best president in the history of Spain:
You have to somehow shoehorn Spain into absolutely everything
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