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Based on what you guys are posting i'm seeing a lot of whites, greys and beige hues in Sydney. Toronto is definitely darker browns, reds etc in its old stock stuff.
Actually the larger old buildings in Sydney are almost always built with tan coloured sandstone because it's a material found throughout the Sydney basin. Sandstone is common even among new construction here today in tower podiums, interiors eg.
Yeah the pre WW2 architecture in Sydney and Toronto does look relatively different. Kinda reinforces the point that you had more variety with historic architecture.
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This is more about the inner city. https://sydneylivingmuseums.com.au/s...olished-sydney
Randwick is one suburb where there are streets with a few beautiful Victorian mansions ( the area was settled by the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney) and every other sort of architecture. Lots of ugly post war walk up apartments opposite Californian bungalows, modern houses, all in one street. St Marks Rd comes to mind.
Thanks for that. Like I said I know some of those older buildings in the CBD were razed for the new towers and I know about the story with the QVB and the Rocks. As cities evolve with time it's inevitable some of the older buildings will be lost to make way for new ones. Perhaps one way around it as we see with some newer developments these days, is to keep the facades of the original building and build on top of it. But in Sydney's case thankfully a lot of the older areas like Paddington or Glebe are left intact. Even within the CBD there's a lot of Victorian and Art deco buildings preserved.
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Actually the larger old buildings in Sydney are almost always built with tan coloured sandstone because it's a material found throughout the Sydney basin. Sandstone is common even among new construction here today in tower podiums, interiors eg.
Gotcha! Sandstone is also found in Ontario and was used in buildings, but the pervasive red and brown I'm referring to was due to a quarry in Toronto, that produced bricks from clay along the don river that 'baked' red. Some interesting geology in both cities, that impacted the colour of the buildings.
Btw those buildings in your link are fantastic!
As always i'll try to include something similar for Toronto - this being the Old City Hall
Toronto felt more suburban or sprawly, even with more high rises.
Both are similar.
Toronto and specifically Old Toronto is built in such a way that it has a lot of old vics which are on established leafy green streets that are usually very close walk to busy commercial urban arterials.
For example this street not far from the DT core could be forgiven to be called 'suburban' in feel if you take the street alone
So my point is, even though the street alone is suburban in feel, it is very close to an urban commercial strip, with with a very high walk Score, close to all amenities you would need within walking distance and access to mass transit. Living on that street if you work DT you simply would not need a car at all. Do they have cars yes, they can afford them!
That all said, Toronto isn't without its suburban/exurban sprawl but in North America anyway, and of the 10 largest urban areas it is probably one of the least sprawly and more compact large metro's. U.S metro's for example are typically far more sprawly and sparsely populated.
Toronto and specifically Old Toronto is built in such a way that it has a lot of old vics which are on established leafy green streets that are usually very close walk to busy commercial urban arterials.
For example this street not far from the DT core could be forgiven to be called 'suburban' in feel if you take the street alone
So my point is, even though the street alone is suburban in feel, it is very close to an urban commercial strip, with with a very high walk Score, close to all amenities you would need within walking distance and access to mass transit. Living on that street if you work DT you simply would not need a car at all. Do they have cars yes, they can afford them!
That all said, Toronto isn't without its suburban/exurban sprawl but in North America anyway, and of the 10 largest urban areas it is probably one of the least sprawly and more compact large metro's. U.S metro's for example are typically far more sprawly and sparsely populated.
To answer the OP, today it's Toronto given the advantage of current infill developments sans the condo high rises. Sydney is building better public transit connections and has better long-range urban planning than Toronto for the future in my view, given the different degree of provincial influence in planning (NSW gov't is on it vs. Ontario - there needs to be a new GTA regional plan). Not sure what sprawly US metros have to do with this topic as that's not the focus here, and quite frankly Toronto will never reach peak New York City density nor transit connectivity.
To answer the OP, today it's Toronto given the advantage of current infill developments sans the condo high rises. Sydney is building better public transit connections and has better long-range urban planning than Toronto for the future in my view, given the different degree of provincial influence in planning (NSW gov't is on it vs. Ontario - there needs to be a new GTA regional plan). Not sure what sprawly US metros have to do with this topic as that's not the focus here, and quite frankly Toronto will never reach peak New York City density nor transit connectivity.
Actually there is a regional plan for Toronto's transit that is called metrolinx
My comment on sprawl was to put it in context that for a North American city, it actually is one of the least sprawly on the continent, including the region that poster who made the comment was from. So I thought the comment was kind of rich. It also anchors a region significantly larger than the population the region Sydney anchors, so naturally it will be more expansive but across the board, Toronto is more dense than Sydney and it doesn't appear to be more 'sprawly' by any measure.
As for NYC - Toronto's on a strong growth trajectory. NYC CSA is not growing strongly so over time - never say never - always a dangerous thing to do! Oddly enough, Toronto's suburban 'sprawl' is actually of a more dense variety than NYC's. I was also referring to cities more in league with Toronto ie under 10 million people.
Toronto and specifically Old Toronto is built in such a way that it has a lot of old vics which are on established leafy green streets that are usually very close walk to busy commercial urban arterials.
For example this street not far from the DT core could be forgiven to be called 'suburban' in feel if you take the street alone
So my point is, even though the street alone is suburban in feel, it is very close to an urban commercial strip, with with a very high walk Score, close to all amenities you would need within walking distance and access to mass transit. Living on that street if you work DT you simply would not need a car at all. Do they have cars yes, they can afford them!
That all said, Toronto isn't without its suburban/exurban sprawl but in North America anyway, and of the 10 largest urban areas it is probably one of the least sprawly and more compact large metro's. U.S metro's for example are typically far more sprawly and sparsely populated.
I agree.
Toronto’s suburban areas are more compact than Boston, Chicago or even New York. Just 0.5mi outside of Manhattan are sprawling suburbs with big yards.
To answer the OP, today it's Toronto given the advantage of current infill developments sans the condo high rises. Sydney is building better public transit connections and has better long-range urban planning than Toronto for the future in my view, given the different degree of provincial influence in planning (NSW gov't is on it vs. Ontario - there needs to be a new GTA regional plan). Not sure what sprawly US metros have to do with this topic as that's not the focus here, and quite frankly Toronto will never reach peak New York City density nor transit connectivity.
There are transit projects in every part of the city of Toronto right now, Toronto and even the suburbs don't lack in transit projects, i doubt Sydney is spending 30 billion in transit right now as Toronto is.
This video best explains all the ongoing transit projects in Toronto
There are transit projects in every part of the city of Toronto right now, Toronto and even the suburbs don't lack in transit projects, i doubt Sydney is spending 30 billion in transit right now as Toronto is.
This video best explains all the ongoing transit projects in Toronto
The New South Wales state budget for 2022 included
$6.1 billion over next four years for Sydney Metro – City and Southwest. The Budget also reported the estimated spend to June 2021 as $10.1 billion.
$12.0 billion over next four years for Sydney Metro – West. The Budget also reported the estimated spend to June 2021 as $2.2 billion.
$8.0 billion over next four years for Sydney Metro – Western Sydney Airport. This included Federal Government's contribution.
So that is 12.3 billion already spent on constructing the partially completed (and currently un operational), metro west, metro west Sydney, and Metro City South West Lines. with another 26.1 billion in the pipe line for the Metro Alone.
The above does not include additional projects like the Parramatta light rail. (2.4 Billion AUD), which will have its first stage open next year.
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