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Old 06-30-2014, 02:51 AM
SE9
 
Location: London | Atlanta
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Nope. Aside from Mercer, nearly all of these 'best cities' rankings circle finance or related commercial real estate fields--this industry is obsessed with ranking cities(especially London) best for their field and therefore declaring their findings THE official ranking for the world in general---and notice how government statistics almost NEVER coroborate London's high rankings. It's largely a farce. London is actually quite mediocre statistically speaking.

And London does NOT rank high in the Mercer QOL ranking, btw.

Yes, a case for most cities can be made to substantiate it qualifying as 'powerful'.
Ah, the typical one-eyed dismissal of industry specific, well researched reports. Namely because many name London top due to its pre-eminence in multiple fields. Quite comical.

Reports that compare cities encompass almost every imaginable field. Finance, investment, real estate, retail, sport, workforce, it goes on. As I stated: prominent reports that compare cities are published by a wide range of multinationals in their respective field of expertise. The reports often cited are from esteemed organizations (KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PwC, Jones Lang LaSalle, Knight Frank, CBRE, EIU, Mercer etc), and involve a great amount of detailed research. Their only interest is in compiling more accurate reports than their competitors.

Your tactic is unfortunately clear...

  • when Amsterdam based KPMG concludes that London attracts the most investment in the world.
  • when Chicago based JLL concludes that London receives the most real estate investment in the world.
  • when Los Angeles based CBRE concludes that London receives the most retailers in the world.
  • when New York based Deloitte concludes that London is home to the largest highly-skilled workforce in knowledge-based industries and dominates its continent in a corporate context.


... and so on, your only rebuttal is to claim that there is a worldwide conspiracy to rank London first, or claim that these reputable, industry leading organizations are 'rags'. All quite hilarious.
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Old 06-30-2014, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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It was also explained to you why only GVA is calculated regionally - To do with HMRC compliance.
What I find most hilarious, aside from the dump trucks full of denial coming from across the pond regarding this issue, is the fact that they actually think GVA creates a massive gap in what should be the 'true GDP' of London.

I wonder if somewhere in the annals of their delusion, do they actually think London's 'true GDP' is $1 Trillion? $2 Trillion? LOL

Well actually the official London region has a gdp just over $500 Billion. Congrats.
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Old 06-30-2014, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Ah, the typical one-eyed dismissal of industry specific, well researched reports. Namely because many name London top due to its pre-eminence in multiple fields. Quite comical.

Reports that compare cities encompass almost every imaginable field. Finance, investment, real estate, retail, sport, workforce, it goes on. As I stated: prominent reports that compare cities are published by a wide range of multinationals in their respective field of expertise. The reports often cited are from esteemed organizations (KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PwC, Jones Lang LaSalle, Knight Frank, CBRE, EIU, Mercer etc), and involve a great amount of detailed research. Their only interest is in compiling more accurate reports than their competitors.

Your tactic is unfortunately clear...

  • when Amsterdam based KPMG concludes that London attracts the most investment in the world.
  • when Chicago based JLL concludes that London receives the most real estate investment in the world.
  • when Los Angeles based CBRE concludes that London receives the most retailers in the world.
  • when New York based Deloitte concludes that London is home to the largest highly-skilled workforce in knowledge-based industries and dominates its continent in a corporate context.
... and so on, your only rebuttal is to claim that there is a worldwide conspiracy to rank London first, or claim that these reputable, industry leading organizations are 'rags'. All quite hilarious.
LOL You guys keep bringing up the same subjective finance & real estate rankings because you have nothing else to talk about.

As far as raw statistics undiluted by subjective spin, London is nowhere near 1st in any category.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:16 AM
 
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What I find most hilarious, aside from the dump trucks full of denial coming from across the pond regarding this issue, is the fact that they actually think GVA creates a massive gap in what should be the 'true GDP' of London.

I wonder if somewhere in the annals of their delusion, do they actually think London's 'true GDP' is $1 Trillion? $2 Trillion? LOL

Well actually the official London region has a [GVA] just over $500 Billion. Congrats.
I would facepalm at this, were I not so completely exasperated at your stubborn refusal to take on board simple information.

It's great living in a dream world where facile arguments have traction and no one has to endure the indignity of counterarguments and critical scrutiny. Until you wake up.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Nope. You are trying to vain to avoid the truth but it can't be done. You are accustomed to twisted rankings with all sorts of fluffy lies that codify London's ego but in the real world, it doesn't work that way.

According to the UK govt, the regional GVA IS the GDP. That's why you are unable to provide a link to ons.gov.uk what states the London Region's"GDP" growth rate is, because no such link exists.
If it was GDP it would simply be called GDP.






















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Old 06-30-2014, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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What I find most hilarious, aside from the dump trucks full of denial coming from across the pond regarding this issue, is the fact that they actually think GVA creates a massive gap in what should be the 'true GDP' of London.

I wonder if somewhere in the annals of their delusion, do they actually think London's 'true GDP' is $1 Trillion? $2 Trillion? LOL

Well actually the official London region has a gdp just over $500 Billion. Congrats.
Making up figures again, if any one is delusional it's you.

In terms of New York's GDP what they don't generally mention is that the $1.28 Trillion figure includes The New York metropolitan area. As it's usually cited that New York city's economy accounts for the majority of the economic activity in the states of New York and New Jersey.

Economy of New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The London economy is currently $760 Billion but predicted to grow to around $822 Billion in coming years, however if you add a similar metro area to London as is used in relation to NYC the picture becomes very different.

$760 Billion London GDP + $520 Billion South East/East Region = $1280 Trillion GDP.


More NYC hype, using smoke, mirrors and metro areas. ????










Last edited by Bamford; 06-30-2014 at 04:46 AM..
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:36 AM
 
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Bamford - get over it. No matter how many links you pull from your back pocket, New York will always be far wealthier than London. GDP, GVA, GDP growth, millionaires, multimillionaires, billionaires, corporate market cap. It's just on another level that London will never match. Move on.

Find another angle because economic wise, New York vs London is a losing one for London. I honestly never knew how laughably pathetic London's economy was until I read this thread. That paltry GDP especially, ugh.

Go run along and talk about your little gardens that make London so swell.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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How many times has this been explained to montclair?

It's not as if what she's doing is particularly subtle:

Present a (usually absurd) case that X is better than Y.
When that argument is refuted, distract for a few posts.
After the discussion moves several pages on, simply repeat the argument hoping noone remembers that it was challenged earlier in the discussion.

Again and again, throughout the same thread, cross posting the same dumb, poorly compiled charts and giving the same refuted arguments over and over.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Monty's Lying Circus


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Old 06-30-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Yes, a case for most cities can be made to substantiate it qualifying as 'powerful'.
I'm not sure that sentence makes any sense.
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