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Old 12-28-2017, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Is there some relationship between cultural fascism and engineering/ car building?

Italy has Ferrari, Alpha-romeo, Lamborghini, Fiat (owns Chrysler), and Maserati;

Germany has Volkswagen, Daimler (Mercedes), BMW, Porsche;

Japan has Subaru, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki;

America invented the automobile so that is why we have such major brands, and while there are stand outs like in South Korea or Sweden none are comparable in name recognition or numbers to these three countries.

French cars are not even sold in the US and British cars aren't comparable to these three.

Is there a psychological factor involved with their post-war economies rallying around the automobile.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:18 PM
 
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they had a good steel war machine industry... without making war machines, they make large steel machines and cars
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:21 AM
 
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have to admit ive never looked at it that way
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:57 AM
 
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The US did not invent the car. Karl Benz patented the first practical automobile in 1886. Damiler (Mercedes) had a history long before fascism. The same goes for most German and Italian car manufacturers.

Germany:

  • Daimler/Mercedes-Benz: Benz and Daimler merged their companies in 1926. They both started out in the 19th century.
  • BMW: Founded in 1916
  • Porsche: Founded in 1931
VW is the only true fascist company.

Italy:
  • Fiat: Founded in 1899
  • Ferrari: Founded in 1939, but their first car with the Ferrari badge came in 1947, hence the Ferrari F40 (to celebrate Ferrari's 40th anniversary in 1987).
  • Alfa Romeo: Founded in 1910
  • Maserati: Founded in 1914
  • Automobili Lamborghini: Founded in 1963 as a competitor to Ferrari

Do not forget that Henry Ford was an antisemite and a Nazi sympathiser.

Ford 'used slave labour' in Nazi German plants
Henry Ford receiving the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from Nazi officials, 1938
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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Is there some relationship between cultural fascism and engineering/ car building?

Italy has Ferrari, Alpha-romeo, Lamborghini, Fiat (owns Chrysler), and Maserati;

Germany has Volkswagen, Daimler (Mercedes), BMW, Porsche;

Japan has Subaru, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki;

America invented the automobile so that is why we have such major brands, and while there are stand outs like in South Korea or Sweden none are comparable in name recognition or numbers to these three countries.

French cars are not even sold in the US and British cars aren't comparable to these three.

Is there a psychological factor involved with their post-war economies rallying around the automobile.
The two world heavy monsters are Germany and Japan. I wouldn't underestimate USA and China.

Fiat Chrysler isn't a titan like VW or Toyota. It's more a P.S.A size than Toyota or VW. (Focus2move| World Car Group Ranking 2017 - The Top 25).
You heavily underestimate UK and USA specially compare to Italy.
Jaguar, Bentley, R&R, Aston Martin, Land Rover...? The culture of perfection is also there. UK is a land for innovation in the field of automobile industry, specially high end product ofc.

France is a bigger car producer both for revenue and volume than Italy. So are the USA.

I would say major countries are major manufacturers, nothing new. China is exploding, Japan was always very industrial due to a proper policy for industry. USA are USA, an american producer as a market bigger than west Europe...

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Old 12-29-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The two world heavy monsters are Germany and Japan. I wouldn't underestimate USA and China.

Fiat Chrysler isn't a titan like VW or Toyota. It's more a P.S.A size than Toyota or VW. (Focus2move| World Car Group Ranking 2017 - The Top 25).
You heavily underestimate UK and USA specially compare to Italy.
Jaguar, Bentley, R&R, Aston Martin, Land Rover...? The culture of perfection is also there. UK is a land for innovation in the field of automobile industry, specially high end product ofc.

France is a bigger car producer both for revenue and volume than Italy. So are the USA.

I would say major countries are major manufacturers, nothing new. China is exploding, Japan was always very industrial due to a proper policy for industry. USA are USA, an american producer as a market bigger than west Europe...
Today things have changed but back during the immediate post WWII era these countries rose the fastest or at least invested a high percentage of their economy into this industry. Even Henry Ford, who started the US automobile industry (for all extensive purposes) was an antiemetic fascist.

There’s some connection there.

Besides that most British car companies are foreign owned and France still doesn’t sell cars in the US (I think that’s a bid deal and shows they’re not that competitive).
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Old 12-29-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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Well, the Axis consisted of strong industrial powers which were able to wage a large scale mechanized war, so it sort of makes sense. Italy's actually a much smaller producer than either Germany or Japan. Meanwhile, the largest automobile producers in the world are China and the US.
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Is there some relationship between cultural fascism and engineering/ car building?

Italy has Ferrari, Alpha-romeo, Lamborghini, Fiat (owns Chrysler), and Maserati;

Germany has Volkswagen, Daimler (Mercedes), BMW, Porsche;

Japan has Subaru, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki;

America invented the automobile so that is why we have such major brands, and while there are stand outs like in South Korea or Sweden none are comparable in name recognition or numbers to these three countries.

French cars are not even sold in the US and British cars aren't comparable to these three.

Is there a psychological factor involved with their post-war economies rallying around the automobile.
The automotive industry in the United Kingdom is now best known for premium and sports car marques including Aston Martin, Bentley, Caterham Cars, Daimler, Jaguar, Lagonda, Land Rover/Range Rover, Lister Cars, Lotus, McLaren, MG, Mini, Morgan and Rolls-Royce.

Volume car manufacturers with a major presence in the UK include Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Vauxhall Motors (subsidiary of Adam Opel AG, subsidiary of the French automotive company Groupe PSA).

Commercial vehicle manufacturers active in the UK include Alexander Dennis, Ford, GMM Luton (owned by Adam Opel AG), Leyland Trucks (owned by Paccar) and London Taxis International (owned by Geely).

The car manufacturing sector is increasingly global and most brands have merged or been taken over, and this may well continue to be the case. Furthermore translating current technology to a new age of electric and hydrogen power sources may lead to new competitors with companies such as Dyson about to enter the electric market.

UK builds more cars than France for first time since 1966 | Auto Express

Dyson to make electric cars from 2020 - BBC News

Dyson's electric car - our vision of what it will be like - Autocar

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Old 01-01-2018, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Earth
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US dropped the ball in car building. American car manufactures took the american consumers for granted. American products are supposed to mean quality and last for a lifetime.

Hopefully, american companies like tesla will be successful
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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US dropped the ball in car building. American car manufactures took the american consumers for granted. American products are supposed to mean quality and last for a lifetime.

Hopefully, american companies like tesla will be successful
European and Japanese cars are way ahead of American ones nowadays. I love American Muscle, but they really need to step their game up.
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