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You don't make people change from car culture to public transport culture by building public transport. You do it by taking their cars away. Good luck.
I disagree. Many cities worldwide have managed to limit car presence on roads by offering a competitive alternative. Of course, the public transportation that takes over needs to cover a wide area for it to be effective. Things like the recently opened Kansas City streetcar do not cut it.
What probably makes the most sense is for the system to be completed by 2028 prior to the Olympics. That'd boost first year numbers a massive amount since it'd include people coming from other parts of California to watch and attendees from elsewhere who want to make the most of their trip by seeing more of California. Also by that time LA will have opened up some very significant extensions to its mass transit system.
By that point, the transit expansions and infill density in downtown Los Angeles (both in residents and jobs) and surrounding neighborhoods would justify high speed rail service. I think generally, for pairs of this distance and with fairly densely populated tail end cities, high speed rail is pretty optimal for it. Unfortunately, the process of doing so in California (and the US in general) seems to be pretty onerous and then there's the giant political backlash and constant in fighting which has probably played more than a small part in inflating its costs and will do so even more.
It's too bad LA's not trying to make better use of all of its incoming transit though--it's weird that LA insists on having those giant correctional facilities next to Union Station or is so slow on capping the freeway that separates Union Station from the rest of downtown. The most rational thing would probably to heavily build out the half mile or so around Union Station.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 01-13-2018 at 09:30 PM..
You don't make people change from car culture to public transport culture by building public transport. You do it by taking their cars away. Good luck.
Maybe increase luxury car taxes and double the gas tax and have those increases committed to mass transit funding. That way no cars get taken away!
Maybe if the governments stop building and improving roads, and they deteriorate to bad condition and the traffic gets too crowded, people will stop using private cars and switch to public transportation, which the government wil have expanded and improved. If you build it, they will come. Free market democracy. People vote for cars, they get a government that responds to ands favors the car culture.
Maybe if the governments stop building and improving roads, and they deteriorate to bad condition and the traffic gets too crowded, people will stop using private cars and switch to public transportation, which the government wil have expanded and improved. If you build it, they will come. Free market democracy. People vote for cars, they get a government that responds to ands favors the car culture.
They don’t have to stop building or improving roads for metro systems to be useful. There are many countries that do both. In the US though, we subsidize sprawl in myriad ways.
If we’re talking about California, then yea, several major cities have put funding into mass transit as of late with LA specifically having raised taxes on itself in referendums to do so. That’s voting. It makes sense that LA did so because the current setup of ridiculous traffic everywhere was onerous enough even as LA has historically had an extremely strong car culture and still does (and the high speed rail was also voted on). It’s too bad planning and leadership wasn’t better for these to not have been in place earlier.
Maybe if the governments stop building and improving roads, and they deteriorate to bad condition and the traffic gets too crowded, people will stop using private cars and switch to public transportation, which the government wil have expanded and improved. If you build it, they will come. Free market democracy. People vote for cars, they get a government that responds to ands favors the car culture.
The most effective ways are to limit parking space and increase parking costs. If you have to search 10 minutes for expensive parking, effective public transport quickly becomes a lucrative alternative.
The most effective ways are to limit parking space and increase parking costs. If you have to search 10 minutes for expensive parking, effective public transport quickly becomes a lucrative alternative.
China makes it even simpler. In Beijing you need to play a lottery before buying a car. Only if you win, you can buy. In Shanghai, the fees are very high, more than the value of an average car.
Say all you want about California, be it the crap public transportation or the ridiculous level of homelessness, the reality is Asians are still flocking its doorway and the trend is unlikely to stop in the foreseeable future.
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