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Old 03-13-2018, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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It's not about the candidates but the population and on that note, the US is very divided.
So you think a large part of the US population is firmly socialist? And favors abolition of private control of the means of production? How do they express this ideology and its political advancement? By what -ism is their ideology called?
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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What does that mean? I can only think of Sesame Street!
You're on to it - Bert and Ernies.

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Old 03-13-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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So you think a large part of the US population is firmly socialist? And favors abolition of private control of the means of production? How do they express this ideology and its political advancement? By what -ism is their ideology called?
I didn't say what specific ideologies made them separate, I just said it was there LOL

Just because such a situation exists in the US does not mean that part of the population will have an opportunity to express it. It just isn't that simple with what the primaries and delegates, lobbyist, lobbyist, lobbyist who have the biggest influence on elections and then there's the electoral college in the general presidential election which can actually give a victory to the candidate that lost the popular vote which has happened twice since 2000.

So I say again, it isn't about the candidates as in this country, the people have less control in their selection. This doesn't change what they believe.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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There are some differences for sure but those are not the main things that divide us.

Quebec does lean more left on average than the rest of thr country. But there are lots of areas outside Quebec that lean left too.
Yes, but there are difference like that through out the country. Parts of BC are very liberal, others not so much.

The point is that Quebec isn't really any different ideologically than the rest of Canada when it comes to our democratic principles and especially our social democratic principles.

The OP is asking about very different ideologies so yes, the very different one is separation from Canada. However currently that's a dead horse.

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Old 03-13-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yes, but there are difference like that through out the country. Parts of BC are very liberal, others not so much.

The point is that Quebec isn't really any different ideologically than the rest of Canada when it comes to our democratic principles and especially our social democratic principles.

The OP is asking about very different ideologies so yes, the very different one is separation from Canada. However currently that's a dead horse.
I think there are other matters where there is a Quebec-Rest of Canada divide though: cultural matters in general are a big one.


Also, you don't have as big a rural-urban divide in Quebec in terms of the fundamentals.


For example, there aren't really any areas of Quebec that could be called "socially conservative".


Even in the so-called conservative rural areas like the Beauce south of Quebec City (Maxime Bernier country), the conservatism is almost exclusively fiscal, reflecting a desire for smaller government with less intervention in the economy.


But people in that area are every bit as pro-gay rights, pro-feminism, pro-gun control and pro-choice as people in any other part of Quebec - rural or urban.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Italy is pretty divided between north and south

an accurate description regarding work ethics for instance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3vl9Fy39Pg
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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pakistan/india and north/south korea before they split

outside of us and eu, are there many other countries where the differing ideology doesnt get jailed/shot?
Many, Australia for one. But compared to the past we are not very divided. THere is the centre right who form the government and then there is the opposition who are centre left. One reason why most of us give politics a big yawn is that there seems to be no great difference between the parties.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's not about the candidates but the population and on that note, the US is very divided.
Nope. I think they are trying to brainwash us into thinking we are more divided that we really are.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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Italy is pretty divided between north and south

an accurate description regarding work ethics for instance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3vl9Fy39Pg
Quite funny but a generalisation, I think. my husband's family in Sicily are all working in professional roles and when we were there we found it hard to see some of them as they were so busy. A couple are travelling constantly. I know the youth unemployment is extremely high in the south which is a real shame.

But the example of the northerner was getting up very late by our standards. When I travel by train to babysit for my daughter on Fridays, I have to get the 6 22am train to their place so they can get to work by 8 30.

Southern Italians in Australia, and I think in the US and Canada, have been extremely hard working and successful immigrants. So it is not genetic, but something in the southern environment, I would think.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think there are other matters where there is a Quebec-Rest of Canada divide though: cultural matters in general are a big one.


Also, you don't have as big a rural-urban divide in Quebec in terms of the fundamentals.


For example, there aren't really any areas of Quebec that could be called "socially conservative".


Even in the so-called conservative rural areas like the Beauce south of Quebec City (Maxime Bernier country), the conservatism is almost exclusively fiscal, reflecting a desire for smaller government with less intervention in the economy.


But people in that area are every bit as pro-gay rights, pro-feminism, pro-gun control and pro-choice as people in any other part of Quebec - rural or urban.
The divide isn't as big as you may think. 74 percent of Canadians in the ROC support equal marriage, it's 80 percent in Quebec.

https://www.crop.ca/en/blog/2017/207/
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