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Old 04-09-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Two thoughts on this.

1. You mean the life-or-death needs of the love of your life do not override your rules of thumb?

2. You let the US government decide for you which places are suitable for you to live, and which to avoid?
Give me an example of a “life-or-death need” that would require someone to permanently relocate from a developed country to an undeveloped and potentially dangerous country.

And the visa waiver program designation is not just the government saying this or that. They are countries that people actually return to because they are safe, decent places to live. It’s based on empirical data. And like I said before, it’s just a guide for me. There are several countries not on the list that I would still probably move to (i.e. Uruguay).

You could even go a step further and look at visa refusal rates by country. The higher the refusal rate, IMO the worse it is, because it indicates most people would not return to that country if given a visitor’s visa.
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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You could even go a step further and look at visa refusal rates by country. The higher the refusal rate, IMO the worse it is, because it indicates most people would not return to that country if given a visitor’s visa.
Really? If that's the case then forget Norway with 17.4% refusal rate or Australia with 17.2%, even UK with 20.2% refusal rate just below Colombia's refusal rate of 21.9% with flights at only $200 bucks return. I'm sure Norway is a better place to live than Saudi Arabia for example.

Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam...Rates/FY17.pdf
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Really? If that's the case then forget Norway with 17.4% refusal rate or Australia with 17.2%, even UK with 20.2% refusal rate just below Colombia's refusal rate of 21.9% with flights at only $200 bucks return. I'm sure Norway is a better place to live than Saudi Arabia for example.

Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam...Rates/FY17.pdf
Are you considering the fact that the people who are applying for B visas from visa waiver countries are doing so because of other reasons, such as wanting to stay a longer period or perhaps criminal or prior immigration issues that make them ineligible under the visa waiver program?

You are comparing a small portion of the population of the visa waiver countries to the general population of non visa waiver countries.
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Are you considering the fact that the people who are applying for B visas from visa waiver countries are doing so because of other reasons, such as wanting to stay a longer period or perhaps criminal or prior immigration issues that make them ineligible under the visa waiver program?

You are comparing a small portion of the population of the visa waiver countries to the general population of non visa waiver countries.
There's no difference, all B visa applications are subject to the same requirements. Colombians get visas for 10 years, an aussie or a brit or a norwegian may want a 10 year visa also as opposed to the 2 years offered by the visa waiver, especially when undertaking business.
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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I'm pretty adventurous, but I have heard nothing good said about being in Saudi Arabia from my oil/military friends who have been posted there.
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Old 04-09-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Two thoughts on this.

1. You mean the life-or-death needs of the love of your life do not override your rules of thumb?

2. You let the US government decide for you which places are suitable for you to live, and which to avoid?
Well, if you're in the Witness Protection program, you'll likely have to follow the government's directive anyway.
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Old 04-09-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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...retired military


The government has moved me 14 times, I'm good for another.
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Old 04-09-2018, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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I'm pretty adventurous, but I have heard nothing good said about being in Saudi Arabia from my oil/military friends who have been posted there.
Saudi Arabia is probably the singular exception to the "live anywhere" doctrine. Outsiders are excluded from the social fabric, by custom if not by law. Having said that, the Little League World Series once had a team representing Saudi Arabia, the children of expats living in the gated enclosure.

I traveled across KSA in my car and felt quite free to move about, my wife even drove. But it still not a place where it would have been feasible to set up residence outside an expat zone.
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Old 04-09-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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