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Old 03-20-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: France, Bordeaux
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Well yes the advantage of the state is the safety. While unlike privatization, where there is a high risk, we also have greater leverage. We can see it with US pension funds, little security but a lot of liquidity that can be injected into companies.

It's a societal choice. I think that Europe is in a cautious way and is looking for security for its citizens, even if it means less investment.
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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Why should the state take from hard working people and give to the lazy ones? Sure, some ill/old people need it but many people abuse the welfare systems in Europe. What if people just stop working?
I did my Master half University half in a company. I earn a wage for 1 year. Allowed me to receive money each month for a year, thanks to the taxes I paid. My entire school from 5yo to 23yo was "free" (it is not free at all, it has a real cost covered by the government). Now I'm a Data Scientist, playing with SVMs and XGboost

Anyway, At the end I was unemployed. Took me 6 months to find a new job that fits my qualification. Had 1000 euros per month. It helped me a lot, and all this money was injected back "in the economy" because I couldn't save.

Was I lazy? Is it "lost money"?

You cannot "stop" working lol. And reforms incoming to control unemployed people receiving money are the opposite of that direction. And you cannot live with only the money of the state. Almost impossible unless you want a low quality of life.

I will continue to pay taxes without problems. The only thing that matters is that they are well used. That's the core of the problem.

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Old 03-20-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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Why should the state take from hard working people and give to the lazy ones? Sure, some ill/old people need it but many people abuse the welfare systems in Europe. What if people just stop working?
Please do and see what happens.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Finland
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I think you are above France. Which means you are bad. Because France is bad for a lot of things.
The main reasons for suicide in Finland is severe depression caused by alcoholism/drug abuse, terminal illness, losing your spouse or child, or personal bankruptcy.

That's why I think it's disrespectful to use these extreme tragedies as an argument. It's not like people would say "it's cloudy and cold today, I just kill myself".

Some countries like Spain and Italy have very low suicide rates, but the reasons to commit suicide are most likely the same. Maybe the familiy structure and healthcare are doing a better job protecting these extremely vulnerable people, but I'm certain that nobody severely suicidal in Southern Europe is getting second thoughts just because it happens to be sunny.

The peak in suicides in Finland is May. A month where because of the longer days total sunshine hours may be the same as in the Mediterranean, and the nature goes full bloom. This is a total opposite of the stereotype.
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Old 03-20-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Finland's age standardised suicide rate is around 14, which isn't that much higher than some other countries like America, Sweden, NZ and France. It's not the highest in Europe either. Baltic states are worse and Belgium is the king in Western Europe. It has nothing to do with climate. Many of the most suicidal countries are tropical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_suicide_rate
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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'If you’re so happy you could die, I have a suggestion: move to Finland' begins with Clarkson

“‘Joo. I am very happy,’ said Erik from Helsinki as he washed down his 50th sleeping pill and climbed into the bath with a Stanley knife and a gallon of cheap whisky,” Clarkson writes.

“[Finland] is one of the most aggressive places I’ve been to. Other Scandinavian countries are full of socialism-lite people paying voluntary taxes and riding their pastel-coloured micro scooters to the recycling plant.”

Passers-by in the street will often — and for no reason — invite you to eff off. One man took out his penis and waved it at me. And in every bar I visited, there was always someone looking at me as though they were wondering how I’d look without skin.”


https://nordic.businessinsider.com/t...rical-column--

I think the Ape may be onto something here
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Finland
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'If you’re so happy you could die, I have a suggestion: move to Finland' begins with Clarkson

“‘Joo. I am very happy,’ said Erik from Helsinki as he washed down his 50th sleeping pill and climbed into the bath with a Stanley knife and a gallon of cheap whisky,” Clarkson writes.

“[Finland] is one of the most aggressive places I’ve been to. Other Scandinavian countries are full of socialism-lite people paying voluntary taxes and riding their pastel-coloured micro scooters to the recycling plant.”

Passers-by in the street will often — and for no reason — invite you to eff off. One man took out his penis and waved it at me. And in every bar I visited, there was always someone looking at me as though they were wondering how I’d look without skin.”


https://nordic.businessinsider.com/t...rical-column--

I think the Ape may be onto something here
Yes, I can confirm that Clarkson is an idiot and his head is full of ****,produced by his ego.
I am quite sure that Clarkson was pissed off because on street of Helsinki he did not got any attention,no one did not care....And that was bad for his ego too, very bad.
So he decided to have revenge...and attention for his wounded ego.

For him happens all the all kind of extraordinary things as we have seen from Top Gear.
Those how think that Clarkson knows what his speaking about, must think also that true-TV is really true.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I've got the impression that Jeremy Clarkson isn't exactly much liked in Finland. Just like Donald Trump would get a "bit" different welcome by Finns than Emmanuel Macron.
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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I don't think suicide rates are irrelevant since we are measuring happiness here. In 2014 the OECD said it was "concerned" by Finland's high suicide rate, which is more notable due to Finland having good mental health provisions and being a generally wealthy, stable country. It doesn't appear as though too much has changed in 4 years, despite a trend of movement in the right direction.

It's not like the Finn's are killing themselves en masse, but an above average rate for an OECD country should surely be factored into this sort of study.

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I've got the impression that Jeremy Clarkson isn't exactly much liked in Finland. Just like Donald Trump would get a "bit" different welcome by Finns than Emmanuel Macron.
I doubt Clarkson loses much sleep over what Finnish people think of him, equally I suspect the feeling is mutual in Finland.
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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What did Finland do, to edge out Denmark?
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