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Old 02-19-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Nah, I'd rather do it to the faces of people like this. They need to learn to tolerate those who are not like them. It wouldn't kill them to do so.
And a teacher has the right to punish a student for being anti-American and disruptive in a U.S. school.
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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500 years ago North America was an enormous amount of native nations, may of them at war with each other. The Aztecs ran the show....

I am sure,some Aztec fool used to say… The Aztec empire Will always be a Nahuatl speaking Empire, Not Apache or Cherokian or whatever!!!
The Aztecs most certainly didn’t run the show outside the territory of modern central Mexico. Their empire never covered any part of the US or Canada. Far smaller than many other historical empires like the Roman or the Mongol one.
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:45 PM
 
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While I do disagree with BigCityDreamer on this case and find the notion of being punished over this troublesome, I agree with his general view on other matters.

The US has accomplished more than any nation in the past 100 years. No other country has managed to land humans on the Moon till now or contributed as much to the fields of IT, medicine and pop culture.

There are a lot of valid criticisms of the US, but some of the anti-Americanism on display is beyond laughable.

However, I do feel that a large number of Americans have become rather complacent in recent years and there is a certain level of anti-intellectualism that is on full display. These will allow other countries to eventually catch up to the US and surpass it down the line. To be fair though, China is the only real contender at this point and it still has a long way to go.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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And a teacher has the right to punish a student for being anti-American and disruptive in a U.S. school.
The teacher has the right to discipline a student who isn't behaving. No one ever said otherwise. The teacher has no business forcing any student to be a nationalist robot just to make the insecure in this country feel better.

See, when I misbehaved in school, teachers called my parents. I can understand the police for like a 16-year-old but nothing you or anyone else says will ever make sense to say an 11-year child deserves this.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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While I do disagree with BigCityDreamer on this case and find the notion of being punished over this troublesome, I agree with his general view on other matters.
It is slippery slope. If a person doesn't even respect the American flag or stand for the pledge of allegiance, then what other negative feelings do they harbor about this country?

Does the U.S. Constitution and its laws need to go? How about our education system? Many people think that standardized tests used for university admissions are unjust and biased. How about our economic system? Capitalism is all about greed, right? Should we become a socialist or communist country so that everything becomes "equal"?

If everything is "racist," then maybe America as we know it needs to be completely dismantled.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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And certainly, it’s about the countless heroes who lost their lives in battles and elsewhere so that we have the luck and fortune to live the way we do.
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I do not know of one single American "hero" who lost, or even risked his life to defend America from any credible threat to diminish in any way "the fortune to live the way we do". The Patriot Act alone has destroyed more of our way of life than all of our battle enemies together ever had even the potential or intent to do.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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It is slippery slope. If a person doesn't even respect the American flag or stand for the pledge of allegiance, then what other negative feelings do they harbor about this country?

Does the U.S. Constitution and its laws need to go?
This makes absolutely no sense. The very constitution you are speaking of gives people in the country the freedom to participate or not participate. It's a way of expressing how one feels. We have the freedom of expression.

Forcing everyone to conform to the pledge or worship the flag is only to make people like yourself feel better. If I choose not to recite the pledge (and I don't recite it), what does that take away from you? How does mine or anyone else who abstains impact how you live your life? I am genuinely curious why you're not able to just live and let live.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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If everything is "racist," then maybe America as we know it needs to be completely dismantled.
Well, we agree on something.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:24 PM
 
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It is slippery slope. If a person doesn't even respect the American flag or stand for the pledge of allegiance, then what other negative feelings do they harbor about this country?
Perhaps, but don't you think that the pledge is used somewhat excessively?

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Does the U.S. Constitution and its laws need to go? How about our education system? Many people think that standardized tests used for university admissions are unjust and biased. How about our economic system? Capitalism is all about greed, right? Should we become a socialist or communist country so that everything becomes "equal"?
Contrary to what others might tell you, the Constitution should not be treated as some kind of Holy Grail. At the end of the day, it was written by men of the time. Ideally, in a progressive country it would change over time as some of it's contents become dated.

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If everything is "racist," then maybe America as we know it needs to be completely dismantled.
Not everything is racist, but there are clear examples where that ends up being the case, though I'm not specifically talking about this incident.

No, the country needs to work through it's problems rather than splinter into different factions.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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And a teacher has the right to punish a student for being anti-American and disruptive in a U.S. school.
Who decides what is anti-American behaviour?

You?

Or some government body like the Department of American Values?

In fact, it has been decided. The kid has the right NOT to stand or participate in the pledge. That's freedom.

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