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Old 08-25-2020, 08:49 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Most Americans simply don't care that much about public transportation. This is true even where I live on the east coast.

Affluent people prefer to drive cars or suvs than take the public bus or metro.
Right, though part of that is a chicken and egg issue where the public bus or metro are often pitiful and woefully underfunded, so it would behoove many people with means to eschew using the system altogether since the alternative of a personal car despite the large associated personal costs makes it incredibly worthwhile in time savings and opportunities. You’re sort of taking a result here rather than root causes.
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Old 08-26-2020, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Yes, but when people talk about public transportation and building railroads they often say that the US is so big (territory) that is impossible to compete with other smaller countries that have tight and well developed net. But I guess it could be done pretty efficiently.
I read that even India's public transport system (rail & bus) is far deeper and intense than America's.
When most people cannot afford private vehicles, public transport is the only way to go.
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Old 08-26-2020, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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1) Population density

2) Governmental structure

3) Age of transportation infrastructure

4) Time period in which respective urban centers developed

5) We already have a well-developed national rail infrastructure, we just use ours to move stuff instead of people.
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Old 08-26-2020, 02:14 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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When most people cannot afford private vehicles, public transport is the only way to go.

Maybe it's the opposite. If there is a great, fast, reliable and cheap transportation there is no need to own a car, or owning a car isn't a necessity.
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Old 08-26-2020, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Maybe it's the opposite. If there is a great, fast, reliable and cheap transportation there is no need to own a car, or owning a car isn't a necessity.
Safety is another reason why people prefer private transportation in the U.S.

I wouldn't ride the bus even for free in many parts of the U.S, but I'd be happy to ride the bus/train/subway in China/Japan/Korea.
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Old 08-26-2020, 04:56 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Safety is another reason why people prefer private transportation in the U.S.

I wouldn't ride the bus even for free in many parts of the U.S, but I'd be happy to ride the bus/train/subway in China/Japan/Korea.
Right, but safety happens with numbers / eyes on the street and investment.
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Old 08-26-2020, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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When most people cannot afford private vehicles, public transport is the only way to go.
Well I left my Lexus in the garage today and caught the bus to the station, and the train to my destination. On the train I read the whole way, it was so nice and peaceful. My journey took longer than if I had driven but my blood pressure was nice and steady. It was also much cheaper.

The fast trains in China are excellent. But there are also an awful lot of cars there with ferocious traffic problems.
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Old 08-26-2020, 06:41 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Think of the number of people from China who move to the United States and become American citizens. Then think of the number of people from the United States who move to China and become Chinese citizens.

Notice any difference?
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Old 08-26-2020, 07:53 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Think of the number of people from China who move to the United States and become American citizens. Then think of the number of people from the United States who move to China and become Chinese citizens.

Notice any difference?
A massive difference! Doing business in China can be lucrative for some and there are opportunities, but there are also a lot of risks. It is still very much a developing country overall and one with huge disparities among different regions (so while some parts can feel very modern and developed, there are vast parts of China that are extremely not so). However, by most measures, the quality of life in China has massively improved for most and part of that might be attributed to smart investments in infrastructure. Take that in contrast with the infrastructure developments over the last couple of decades in other developing countries that started at a similarly low base of economic development.

Where else do Chinese people seem to flock to? Developed countries, often English speaking as that's the most popular second language in China, for the better standard of living, but oddly also some developing countries mostly as entrepreneurs or part of massive Chinese corporate or government (what's the difference, lol!) infrastructure developments.

However, there are definitely countries with more limited immigration to the US that are developed and have far better mass transit systems compared to their US counterparts. I'd say the vast majority of them. It's unfortunate because we actually have a massive backlog of infrastructure expansion and repair projects we have to do it and we've essentially been accumulating a sort of work debt. Even our most similar partners with large expanses of land and even greater difficulty with intercity public transport currently have better mass transit systems, and moreover, they've committed to some sizable improvements. Take for example, Sydney which has 5.3 million people. By no means does it have the best mass transit system for a city of its size among developed countries, but it does have a better system than all US metropolitan areas of similar population and is substantially better than most.

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Old 08-26-2020, 08:12 AM
 
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China is slightly smaller than the US, but has around four times the population, with a total population approaching 1.4 Billion.

I was ready to correct you and state that China is slightly lager but then I decided to check first...some sites say USA is larger, some say China is larger...pretty odd
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