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Old 09-01-2020, 10:55 PM
Status: "See My Blog Entries for my Top 500 Most Important USA Cities" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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GAWC has just released their 2020 list!!!

DOWN
Miami, Washington D.C., Houston, Bogotá dropped from Alpha- to Beta+

Minneapolis, Wuhan, Lagos, and Caracas dropped from Beta to Beta-

Lot of Alpha cities dropped to Alpha- like Zurich, Istanbul, Bangkok, Melbourne

HCM City, Hanoi, and Athens dropped from Beta+ to Beta


UP
Beirut and Berlin jumped from Beta to Beta+

Osaka, Zhengzhou, Detroit jumped from Gamma+ to Beta-

Austin and St. Petersburg Russia jumped from Gamma to Beta- (skipped Gamma+ entirely)

Seattle and Panama City jumped from Beta- to Beta

Boston and Bangalore jumped from Beta+ to Alpha-

Nagoya jumped from Sufficiency to Gamma- (skipped High Sufficiency entirely)

Birmingham UK huge drop from Beta- to High Sufficiency (dropping 4 levels)

Idk guys I'm not gonna give my full analysis I just wanted to report the news!

Almost all of these moves make sense.

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2020t.html

Last edited by elnina; 09-01-2020 at 11:45 PM.. Reason: Added source per OP. Thanks!!
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Old 09-01-2020, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Clarification:
GaWC = Globalization and World Cities (Rankings Research Institute)
is a think tank that studies the relationships between world cities in the context of globalization, a bi-annual categorization of world cities into "Alpha", "Beta" and "Gamma" tiers, based upon their international connectedness

and source:
https://www.spottedbylocals.com/blog...-gamma-cities/
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:30 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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The reshufflings mostly make sense to me except for DC. Alpha- seems like an appropriate place for it given what else is in Alpha- and Beta+.

Still think it's odd that Seoul is in Alpha- instead of Alpha. Is the rubric still heavily slanted toward how well-connected these cities are to London or am I mistaken about that?
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Old 09-02-2020, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I realy don't understand why DC was dropped to Beta+

I can understand why Houston and Miami wre... but DC? its definitely on par with Boston. Soemthing seems a bt fishy about that.
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Old 09-03-2020, 12:17 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I realy don't understand why DC was dropped to Beta+

I can understand why Houston and Miami wre... but DC? its definitely on par with Boston. Soemthing seems a bt fishy about that.
I remember reading somewhere for at least previous gawc ratings that the methodology was strongly based on business done with London area companies. DC being strongly tilted towards the public sector probably means a lot less of an emphasis on international corporate going-ons than Boston. That being said, if that’s the methodology, then it still shakes out pretty close to how I’d rank things for a lot of cities. I’d also put DC in the Alpha- and Seoul in Alpha and maybe shift several more cities like some of the Swiss ones down.
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Old 09-03-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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I couldn't find anything about methodology on the GaWC site.
It's based at Loughborough University between Leicester, and Nottingham, UK.If as claimed, cultural and political relevance weigh heavy, Washington might not measure up culturally, but find me a city with more political influence than Washington.
Dulles Airport has 35 international airlines with direct connections to every continent except Australasia.
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Old 09-04-2020, 03:44 PM
 
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I couldn't find anything about methodology on the GaWC site.
It's based at Loughborough University between Leicester, and Nottingham, UK.If as claimed, cultural and political relevance weigh heavy, Washington might not measure up culturally, but find me a city with more political influence than Washington.
Dulles Airport has 35 international airlines with direct connections to every continent except Australasia.
It’s all on their website, but the modeling isn’t simple:

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/rb/rb23.html
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/rb/rb300.html
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Old 09-05-2020, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I realy don't understand why DC was dropped to Beta+

I can understand why Houston and Miami wre... but DC? its definitely on par with Boston. Soemthing seems a bt fishy about that.


I do think some kind of explanation as to why cities have been moved up or down might at least offer some insight.

I find it strange that Birmingham has plummeted at a time when HS2 is under way and will offer an extremely fast train service in to London, although perhaps this is the reason why it's been downgraded.

Homepage | High Speed 2

Birmingham has also just extended it's Airport runway and is inmvesting in a new terminal, and the airport will have a direct link to HS2 and a number of companies have relocated to the city in recent years.

Birmingham is also home to a massive Convention Centre, the National Exhibition Centre (NEC) as well as large indoor entertainment and sports venues, which are also within easy reach of the airport.

It just seems strange and without any explanation you are just left to wonder.
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Old 09-05-2020, 07:30 AM
 
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Both are not full of intercontinental flights.
Shenzhen should had more non naturalised foreigners than Montreal. Montreal has more immigrants but immigrants do not mean foreigners, they are mostly naturalised Canadians.


Nagoya is just big but not international.

Seoul is not very top in the list because it is not an important international transport hub and is a mostly domestic financial centre. But K pop is more popular globally than other Asian pop. South Korea is a smaller economy than a few other developed countries and China, India and Russia.

The largest cities of the largest economies are always listed in the top, with the exception of cities in Germany listed below London and Paris. Germany is bigger than the UK and France.
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Montreal in the same group as Shenzhen?

Well, IMO Shenzhen beats Montreal in all ways except "reputation" maybe.

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Old 09-08-2020, 02:09 AM
 
Location: PNW
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D.C. getting dropped is the biggest ?? for me, below a number of less deserving cities in the Alpha category. Also means it's below Boston which I'm sure will trigger a few on the forum.

A few interesting additions have shown up in the Sufficiency index that weren't there previously, including a handful of Japanese cities such as Sendai, Kobe, some cities in Oceania such as Suva and Port Moresby, and some more smaller regional cities such as Novosibirsk, Honolulu and Saskatoon. I feel like it's a bit of a coming out party for these places when they eek into the botom end of this list.
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