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Old 09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
 
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The homicide rates of the Dakotas and many other Great Plains and western mountain states are also greatly under-reported due to the fact that crimes involving indigenous peoples on reservations are not included, as pointed out upthread.
This raises a question in my mind. How are statistics about the reservations reported, as they relate to the states surrounding them? For example, the Crow Reservation is surrounded by the state of Montana. Are the residents of the reservation included in Montana's population statistics? If a crime happens on the Crow Reservation, who would respond to it, a Crow police officer or a Montana police officer? Interstate 90 slices right through the reservation, but are Montana's laws enforced while on the highway but the reservation's laws when you get off at an exit? How does this all work?
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:31 PM
 
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This raises a question in my mind. How are statistics about the reservations reported, as they relate to the states surrounding them? For example, the Crow Reservation is surrounded by the state of Montana. Are the residents of the reservation included in Montana's population statistics? If a crime happens on the Crow Reservation, who would respond to it, a Crow police officer or a Montana police officer? Interstate 90 slices right through the reservation, but are Montana's laws enforced while on the highway but the reservation's laws when you get off at an exit? How does this all work?
Crimes committed on Indian reservations involving tribal members are not included in the state totals--South Dakota's in the example cited, but it is the same for all states--as reported by the state to the FBI, as explained in the South Dakota yearly crime report at the link in my first post, and the FBI UCR for the same year shows that the FBI does not add them. Yet the population of the entire state is used to compute the murder rate for those cases that fall under state jurisdiction, further diluting the murder rate per capita. I am not aware of any single FBI site that shows the rate for crimes committed on Indian reservations and other areas under exclusive federal criminal jurisdiction.
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Old 09-10-2020, 11:03 PM
 
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This raises a question in my mind. How are statistics about the reservations reported, as they relate to the states surrounding them? For example, the Crow Reservation is surrounded by the state of Montana. Are the residents of the reservation included in Montana's population statistics? If a crime happens on the Crow Reservation, who would respond to it, a Crow police officer or a Montana police officer? Interstate 90 slices right through the reservation, but are Montana's laws enforced while on the highway but the reservation's laws when you get off at an exit? How does this all work?
Further examination of the FBI UCR site shows that some Indian reservations do submit murder and other crime totals to the FBI and these figures are presumably included in the UCR state listing, but it is very hit and miss. No reservation in the Dakotas does, despite the fact that the Pine Ridge Sioux reservation has historically recorded some Venezuela-like yearly murder rates. Only a few in Idaho, Montana, etc. submit their statistics. In Arizona the Navajo Nation does, for a murder rate of about 12/100,000 in 2018.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...le-11.xls/view

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Old 09-10-2020, 11:36 PM
 
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This raises a question in my mind. How are statistics about the reservations reported, as they relate to the states surrounding them? For example, the Crow Reservation is surrounded by the state of Montana. Are the residents of the reservation included in Montana's population statistics? If a crime happens on the Crow Reservation, who would respond to it, a Crow police officer or a Montana police officer? Interstate 90 slices right through the reservation, but are Montana's laws enforced while on the highway but the reservation's laws when you get off at an exit? How does this all work?
Continuing with an examination of this subject. In 2016 the FBI UCR reported that there were 27 murders or non-negligent homicides in South Dakota and reported that only four small Indian reservations in the state submitted crime figures. None of these included any homicides. But in that year there were 17 murders on the Pine Ridge Reservation according to tribal authorities quoted in the attached news link.

If included in the state figures these 17 murders would have raised the murder rate by two thirds. Using the latest census estimate for the reservation population of about 20,000, its murder rate was about 85/100,000.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-3

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...uth-dakota.xls

https://www.kotatv.com/content/news/...418666003.html

A news article from 2017 on this subject. It says there were 21 murders on territory under state jurisdiction in 2016 in South Dakota but there were 27.

https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/conten...416659913.html

While crime statistics released Monday cover all state jurisdictions in South Dakota, they do not include crimes committed by Native Americans on the state's nine reservations. When you look at both these state and federal crimes, it's clear all areas of South Dakota are battling one big problem.

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Old 09-11-2020, 12:21 AM
 
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I think of the world as being a wonderfully and uniformly safe place, with a few tiny pockets where you won't want to be. And 99% of the world's inhabitants will help you if you need -- even most if the criminals if they don't happen to be committing a crime at the moment.
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