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Old 05-09-2022, 08:06 PM
 
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I was in London last March, right before Covid changed everything, and I couldn't get over the dense crowds all throughout the city, and I'm not just talking about the usual areas around Buckingham palace, Oxford street and Picadilly Circus... London is packed throughout...

I'm a native New Yorker, grew up there. I live in Florida now but I go back to visit friends and family 3 - 4x a year. I flew from JFK to Heathrow last March, and I set it up so that I could stay in New York for the week prior, to visit family and have a little fun...

After a few days in London, I came away with the feeling that London is a much more populated city than New York...which is funny, because a decade ago, it felt the opposite; New York felt significantly more populated...but not anymore.

So I decided to look up the most current population estimates for both cities. I used worldpopulationreview.com and a few other sources to check the numbers, and lo and behold my feeling was right. -- New York has actually lost several hundred thousand people over the past number of years and stands at a 2021 population of 8.23 million. London on the other hand has grown tremendously and currently stands at a population 9.425 million; over 1.2 million more people than New York!... And you can really feel it walking the streets and taking public transportation.

If we're talking about metropolitan areas, New York is still larger...but if you're comparing greater London to the 5 boroughs, London is the much larger city....

Go London! What an epic town...
A lot of people fled New York City during the pandemic but more and more people have been out and about on the streets lately. It is getting a lot more lively within the past couple of months but also ppl flee when they have kids too to move to places like NJ, Westchester or LI suburbia. Not that you cant raise kids in NYC …

Also the 8 million figure is all of New York City… All five boroughs, not just Manhattan so it feels more spread out than if all that 8 million was just in Manhattan
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Old 05-14-2022, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Cities such as London, Paris and NYC are great centres of arts, culture and education, and are great cities to visit.

I am sure the London Symphony Orchestra are looking forward to playing at the superb redeveloped and refurbished David Geffen Hall (formerly Avery Fisher Hall) at the Lincoln Center when it re-opens.

NYC will always be a fantastic city, despite going through the occasional problematic time, and the same is true of London, Paris, Tokyo etc.
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Old 05-14-2022, 02:39 PM
 
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Is the UK experiencing an uptick of violence since the pandemic or is that mostly just the US? I'm kind of curious as to whether this is a specifically US trend or something shared among many other countries.
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Old 05-15-2022, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Is the UK experiencing an uptick of violence since the pandemic or is that mostly just the US? I'm kind of curious as to whether this is a specifically US trend or something shared among many other countries.
The UK is going through a severe economic crisis and is due to hit a recession in the next few months as is the US. Crime always increases in such volatile times
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Old 05-15-2022, 05:52 AM
 
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The UK is going through a severe economic crisis and is due to hit a recession in the next few months as is the US. Crime always increases in such volatile times
Actually crime often goes down during a recession, as people go out less and drink less.

A lot of UK violent crime is drink related, however murder rates and serious violent crimes are quite low by international standards.

There were 126 murders in London in 2021, which is not bad for a city of over 9 million.

There were 594 homicide victims in England & Wales (60 million), in the year ending March 2021, 79 fewer (a 12% decrease). There were 55 homicides recorded in Scotland in 2020-21 – the fewest since comparable records began back in 1976. There were 22 homicides recorded in Northern Ireland in 2020/21, compared with 29 recorded in the 2018/2019 reporting year.

In terms of the UK there were 674 homicides, a country with a population of 67.22 million (2020).

A significant rise in police numbers (20,000 extra officers), and new community initiatives may also have an impact on crime levels.

In terms of London there are three main uninformed police forces, the Metropolitan Police, City of London Police and British Transport Police (Railways and London Underground).

The Met is expected to grown to 36,500, full time officers whilst the City of London Police is to increase to over 800 officers and the British Transport Police have around 3,200 of which over half are assigned to the London Underground and London Rail stations.

There are also several thousand police auxiliary officers such as Police Community Support Officers and Special Constables, whilst other specialist law enforcement agencies such as the Ministry of Defence Police (Whitehall Security Zone and Military Establishments) and National Crime Agency operate in the capital.

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The Met's police officer strength is now the largest it has ever been in its history - meaning thousands of extra officers are now dedicated to serving London's many communities.

As of the end of March, the Met had reached its highest ever total number of officers with a head-count of around 34,000 (*34,542 officers).

The Met will also continue to expand further throughout 2022 to 2023 as part of the Policing Uplift Programme- from government funding- and Mayoral investment.

We want to grow further to 36,500 officers by March 2023 and, taking into account the number of people who will retire and leave, our overall recruitment will be close to 4,000 - double the number of officers we normally recruit in a year.

Met hits highest ever number of police officers as Commissioner marks her last day at Hendon - Metropolitan Police (8th April 2022)

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Old 05-17-2022, 01:15 AM
 
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Actually crime often goes down during a recession, as people go out less and drink less.

A lot of UK violent crime is drink related, however murder rates and serious violent crimes are quite low by international standards.

There were 126 murders in London in 2021, which is not bad for a city of over 9 million.

There were 594 homicide victims in England & Wales (60 million), in the year ending March 2021, 79 fewer (a 12% decrease). There were 55 homicides recorded in Scotland in 2020-21 – the fewest since comparable records began back in 1976. There were 22 homicides recorded in Northern Ireland in 2020/21, compared with 29 recorded in the 2018/2019 reporting year.

In terms of the UK there were 674 homicides, a country with a population of 67.22 million (2020).

A significant rise in police numbers (20,000 extra officers), and new community initiatives may also have an impact on crime levels.

In terms of London there are three main uninformed police forces, the Metropolitan Police, City of London Police and British Transport Police (Railways and London Underground).

The Met is expected to grown to 36,500, full time officers whilst the City of London Police is to increase to over 800 officers and the British Transport Police have around 3,200 of which over half are assigned to the London Underground and London Rail stations.

There are also several thousand police auxiliary officers such as Police Community Support Officers and Special Constables, whilst other specialist law enforcement agencies such as the Ministry of Defence Police (Whitehall Security Zone and Military Establishments) and National Crime Agency operate in the capital.

That's fascinating! How are these numbers compared to 2019 (closest pre-pandemic) numbers?
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Old 05-17-2022, 05:42 AM
 
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That's fascinating! How are these numbers compared to 2019 (closest pre-pandemic) numbers?
The fact that people weren't going out and everywhere was closed at the height of the pandemic, led to a decrease in many crimes such as violent crime and burglary.
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Old 09-24-2022, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Okay this thread hasn't been responded to in a while.


New York metropolitan area (MSA) - 20 Million people
London metropolitan area (FUA) - 12.5 Million people


Settled
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Old 09-25-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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Okay this thread hasn't been responded to in a while.


New York metropolitan area (MSA) - 20 Million people
London metropolitan area (FUA) - 12.5 Million people


Settled
The London metro area, at 8,382 km2 (3,236 m2), is far smaller than other major cities, with the exception of Shanghai, and smaller than the World City average metro size of 17,521 km2.

The London Metro Area has a population of 14,372,596 (2019), however other than Manhattan, as a whole London has a higher population density, especially when you consider the London Metro Area as opposed to the New York Metro Area.

The New York Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2020 had a population of 20,140,470 and covers a area of 6,720 sq mi (17,405 km2).

The New Yoirk Combined Statistical Area (CSA) in 2020 had a population of 23,582,649 and covers an area of area is 13,318 sq mi (34,493 km2).

In reality the US is actually poorly connected via public transport, and these vast metro areas are therefore meaningless, indeed it's far easier to get in to London from most of England, than it is to get to NYC from within many parts of it's own metro area, and the situation is even worse in relation to other US vast metro areas.

London has local tube and rail services, regional services, national services and international services.

Here's just the regional rail line services in relation to London and it's commuters areas including the South East of England with a population of 9.2 million and the Eastern region with a further population of 6.3 million -

South East Regional Rail Card Network - London

The ease of access in relation to train travel in to London, coupled with London's metro population density, leave US metro areas and cities trailing.

The NYC metro is not that densely populated and often has relatively poor public transport links the further you get away from NYC, and in reality these metro areas just seems like some kind of tedious effort to project the city as more vast than it's competitors.

Population Density, Myth and Reality - Savills

How Does London Measure Up? - Savills

I am also sure that if you added most of the adjoining regions that surround London in relation to the 9.2 million in South East England and the 6.3 million in East England Region to London's population of 9.2 million, you would have a similar metro area to NYC, with a similar population, but one with far better public transport access in to London.

I could not say this in relation to Tokyo or Paris or many other important global cities, which have very good train and public transport systems however I can in relation to the US and it's vast metro areas.

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Old 09-25-2022, 02:26 PM
 
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Wasn't this thread debunked as a troll thread a while ago?
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