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Old Today, 10:34 AM
 
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Lots of Western Europeans I've met seem to think their countries are still all that. But it's all based on old concepts and obsolete old culture.
Several Asian tigers have become wealthier. Spain and even France have lower GDP than Taiwan now.

Is Europe turning into a has been place overrelying on tourism, based mostly on old buildings and culture?

Not only has the US overshadowed culturally Europe but the US itself is getting threatened by Asian culture. Lots of Europeans and Americans are into kawai, weaboo culture, K-pop, Asian food etc.

Most tech is designed in US or Japan and produced somewhere in Asia now.
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Old Today, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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I think what you’re actually getting at is the growth differential between developed and emerging markets. Western Europe is all developed so it can’t grow was fast as places like Vietnam where they’ve got some catching up to do. Western Europe is still plenty relevant to the world economy though. Germany, France, the UK, Italy, and Spain in particular.
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Old Today, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Lots of Western Europeans I've met seem to think their countries are still all that. But it's all based on old concepts and obsolete old culture.
Several Asian tigers have become wealthier. Spain and even France have lower GDP than Taiwan now.
France is only lower in terms of PPP per capita, which is a horse**** figure. Taiwan's PPP per capita has been high for a very long time, it now is higher than Germany and even Australia, which means (certain) things are very cheap, nothing more. Taiwan's McDonald's for example is amongst the cheapest in the world, but that doesn't mean **** in this day and age as there are a ton of products that are the same price everywhere or even more expensive in poorer countries (e.g. an iPhone).

Spain is lower nominally though, though that's mostly due to the extremely unusual circumstances in 2020.

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I think what you’re actually getting at is the growth differential between developed and emerging markets. Western Europe is all developed so it can’t grow was fast as places like Vietnam where they’ve got some catching up to do. Western Europe is still plenty relevant to the world economy though. Germany, France, the UK, Italy, and Spain in particular.
The Asian Tigers are developed economies and do have much stronger growth than European ones.
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Old Today, 12:35 PM
 
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Taiwan is still well below Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Netherlands, Switzerland and Turkey, so don't know where that idea comes from. Any of those per capita rankings don't matter much to a country's "relevance" on the world stage, it's moreso how wealthy an average individual is when they travel abroad for purchasing power. Because if they were, the most "relevant" countries in the world would be Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, Qatar and freaking Macau.

Like it or not the most powerful Western European nations (Germany, UK, France, Italy, Netherlands, Switzerland) are global powerhouses, highly influential and hugely affluent up against any country other than China and the USA. I can see both India and Indonesia getting up there in the future (India sooner than later) but it'll be at bare minimum a quarter century before we might see a significant geopolitical shift in the axis of power outside of USA / Western Europe to Asia. Even longer if we are thinking Africa or South America, if ever.
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Old Today, 01:41 PM
 
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Yeah it's over. France is too mbappe for me and Germany is too Özil (had to google this one since I lack the the umlaut...).
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Old Today, 02:08 PM
 
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^besides Asian food beats European.
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Old Today, 04:09 PM
 
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Don't feed the trolls, please.
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Old Today, 04:22 PM
 
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European women are still the best though.

The whole world agrees.
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Location: San Antonio/Houston-Dallas/Tricity
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