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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.02%
Israel 149 71.98%
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-16-2023, 06:03 AM
 
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To condemn the war Israel is waging on the people of Palatine with US support. The UN has condemned Israel for its illegal settlements and for its merciless killings. Nobody is supporting Hamas, but anyone with a heart will condemn All killings, be it done by the State of Israel or by Hamas. Hamas is condemned as terrorists, so is Israel except that it is State sanctioned terrorism. Every child is precious, every mother is precious, all lives are precious.
The War is against Hamas. The "illegal settlements" can be addressed peacefully, but you can't expect Israel to turn the other cheek when 1,300 were massacred. Children kidnapped, women rapped, babies decapitated. There is no road to peace for Hamas after that, not that Hamas wants it anyways. No country on earth would stand for that. The war to eliminate Hamas should not be condemned, it's a war against pure evil.

The people of Gaza are caught in the middle of a war that Hamas started, and Hamas alone are responsible for their deaths, both directly (using them as human shields, blocking evacuation routers) and indirectly (instigating terrorist acts against Israel). Why have you failed to address Hamas usage of it's citizens as human shields. Why is that?

But again, I can't get past your rhetoric of hatred against Jews and Israel. Those aren't words of peace, but words to incite violence.
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Old 10-16-2023, 06:05 AM
 
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Palestine! Israel is a state based off stolen land and Zionism and eats away at western money whilst doing nothing for the western world and killing innocent Palestinians. Israel is a disgusting “country” and it should be annexed by Palestine. Sure Palestine is homophobic but so is Israel, ain’t no gay marriage in Israel.
Wow, another one....
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:19 AM
 
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The War is against Hamas. The "illegal settlements" can be addressed peacefully, but you can't expect Israel to turn the other cheek when 1,300 were massacred. Children kidnapped, women rapped, babies decapitated. There is no road to peace for Hamas after that, not that Hamas wants it anyways. No country on earth would stand for that. The war to eliminate Hamas should not be condemned, it's a war against pure evil.

The people of Gaza are caught in the middle of a war that Hamas started, and Hamas alone are responsible for their deaths, both directly (using them as human shields, blocking evacuation routers) and indirectly (instigating terrorist acts against Israel). Why have you failed to address Hamas usage of it's citizens as human shields. Why is that?

But again, I can't get past your rhetoric of hatred against Jews and Israel. Those aren't words of peace, but words to incite violence.
You have decided in your own mind what is truth, colored by your own prejudice and world view. Others see the situation differently: if you go steal and throw people out of their homes and condemn them as terrorists the world will not believe you. Some will many won’t. What they see is suffering on both sides. That is the cost of unjust action. There can never be peace.
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:22 AM
 
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The statements from some of the Israeli government officials in this video is as shocking as what comes out of the mouth of Hamas. They are the same. Those thinking Israel are justified in this are no different to those who incite Islamic violence against westerners. It all leads to the same hell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BETNqgBCjwc

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Old 10-16-2023, 08:29 AM
 
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Israel can’t go door to door asking if Hamas are home

How exactly do they engage the enemy?
First don’t make enemies. Don’t grab land and make enemies out of people. If the Jews who needed a home had peacefully assimilated with the existing community there would be no Hamas. Too late now. Israel has to make amends, speak the Truth and make Reconciliation. Merely demanding everyone should condemn Hamas otherwise they are anti-semite is an insult to those Jews who truly face prejudice and hate. and that is happening in the US, not in Palestine.
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:43 AM
 
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You have decided in your own mind what is truth, colored by your own prejudice and world view. Others see the situation differently: if you go steal and throw people out of their homes and condemn them as terrorists the world will not believe you. Some will many won’t. What they see is suffering on both sides. That is the cost of unjust action. There can never be peace.
Wow, with those words, you need to look in the mirror.

I addressed the suffering by Palestinian residents of Gaza. You however did not address the suffering of Israel. Nor did you answer the question - why are you not addressing Hamas using Gaza residents as human shields?
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:50 AM
 
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Wow, with those words, you need to look in the mirror.

I addressed the suffering by Palestinian residents of Gaza. You however did not address the suffering of Israel. Nor did you answer the question - why are you not addressing Hamas using Gaza residents as human shields?
that is your opinion and interpretation. Only you believe it is truth.
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:52 AM
 
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The statements from some of the Israeli government officials in this video is as shocking as what comes out of the mouth of Hamas. They are the same
Brought to you by UKs Channel 4 news, the same group that presented a show with Iran's then president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to give the 2004 Christmas Address. I am not joking.

You are getting into the area of moral equivalency again. So Israel is the same as Hamas. You lost me there.

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Old 10-16-2023, 08:57 AM
 
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that is your opinion and interpretation. Only you believe it is truth.
Wait, so you are saying Hamas is not using Gaza residents as human shields and that is only my opinion and interpretation. Got it. Wow! Each post you do has you go out there farther and farther into the twilight zone of denial.

Dude that is not opinion, it's a fact. No one disputes except maybe you. I doubt even Hamas would dispute it, they would simply justify it.

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfi...an_shields.pdf
https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-...ahu-pas-abbas/
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-b2429205.html
https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-uses-...pinion-1834774
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06...2021-gaza-war/
https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/ham...ields-in-gaza/

I can go on and on...
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Old 10-16-2023, 09:12 AM
 
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Brought to you by UKs Channel 4 news, the same group that presented a show with Iran's then president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to give the 2004 Christmas Address. I am not joking.

You are getting into the area of moral equivalency again. So Israel is the same as Hamas. You lost me there.
Mate let me tell you as a Catholic i have as much less in common with much of Channel 4's political ideologies as you do but the proof is right there. The Israeli officials didn't even hide it, they made their beliefs and policies very clear. A point well made is a point well made. If Channel 4 made a documentary about the Russian invasion of Ukraine being wrong would you condemn it then? Do you really only watch and listen to media that enforces your own point of view? What if your wrong, how will you ever know, you would never be able to change your mind?

Also it's not just channel 4. This is documented everywhere and has been for years. If you are going to just ignore it and not address it all you are proving is that you wish to stay ignorant to the reality. Tensions have been bubbling for many years and were getting worse.

There are extremists in both sides and it is innocent Israeli's and Palestinians who are getting caught up in it. The extremists in the Israeli side in government department who wish to inflict harm on innocent Palestinians are no different to Hamas.

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