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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:04 PM
 
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That is how YOU interpret what is said. You have such a need for Hamas to be condemned as if calling them out on their awful destruction of human lives somehow solves all the problem and justifies the punishing revenge taken on other innocent civilian lives. You may need to get over an eye for an eye doctrine and recognize it for it is - blinding yourself. The fault lies on all sides, including US and Europe and the original cause of this huge wound in the world - the unjust creation of Israel.

Calling human beings, the aged, the feeble, the children as "human-shield" is the result of the revenge-blindness. By dismissing them with that term does not distance you from the murder of innocent civilians.

blaming Israel, for the Hamas terrorist imperative that seeks genocide of the Jews
is the same as blaming Jews for the Nazi Holocaust, that sought genocide of the Jews

that is the stance you are taking.

you are the identical mouthpiece of the terrorist ideology you parrot, that of Hamas that of Iran that of Hezballah, and that of the Nazis, which is death to the Jews. you call Israel a huge wound in the world, like the Iran leader and terrorists call Israel a cancerous tumor. You have a whole lot in common with the Ayatollah of Iran. You are showing your true colors.

Any respect or regard i ever held towards you has absolutely vanished. Because your true colors are revealed. It is not one of "humanity" it is not one of "not taking sides" it is not one of "caring for the people." It is pure unadulterated blind hatred. All the high minded posts on spirituality and humanity are revealed to be an absolute sham.


They ARE using civilians as human shields. That's what Hamas does. You are supporting a terrorist regime that launches rockets from the rooftop of hospitals, stores munitions and explosives in places of worship, and fires rockets from schools and apartment buildings. Hamas is choosing to do that. And you don't say a word against it.

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Old 10-17-2023, 07:11 PM
 
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Hamas and the Palestinian Authority incentivize terror through the pay for slay program. Literally people are given financial incentives and payments for life for killing Israelis and committing acts of terrorism. The more damage an attack causes, the higher the terrorist or the terrorist’s family is paid.

"The Palestinian Authority maintains longstanding legislation and payments to subsidize terrorists and their families. The Palestinian Authority’s legislation and allocations of monthly salaries and benefits rewarding terrorists, and the families of “Martyrs,” amounted to $315 million annually for 2015; and increased in 2017 to $355 million for one year for the PA’s expenditure for directly funding terror . This financial reward clearly demonstrates the PA’s institutional commitment to sponsoring terror against Israel."


"The Palestinian Authority will pay families of dead Hamas terrorists millions of dollars according to a report by the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), a nongovernmental organization and media watchdog group. In the current "pay-for-slay" system, called the "Martyrs’ Fund" by the PA, terrorists receive monetary payments as a reward for acts of terror. The more damage an attack causes, the higher the terrorist or the terrorist’s family is paid. A terrorist's family would be rewarded a lump sum and also a monthly payment for life. The families that the terrorists married into will receive an even higher amount."


from The Pay For Slay Fact Sheet

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Old 10-18-2023, 01:18 AM
 
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Neither. I don't like professional wrestling world politics. Ukraine Russia sucked, too.
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Old 10-18-2023, 01:41 AM
 
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Neither. I don't like professional wrestling world politics. Ukraine Russia sucked, too.
it still sucks.
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Old 10-18-2023, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Neither. I don't like professional wrestling world politics. Ukraine Russia sucked, too.
There's nothing "professional wrestling" about Ukraine and Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine. That's all there is to it. If you don't support Ukraine you are most likely a pretty awful person.
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Old 10-18-2023, 03:22 AM
 
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Propaganda is a key weapon of war, if Hamas can portray Israel as being responsible for this , it’s a massive coup , if Israel can successfully portray jihadis as being responsible, it’s a big propaganda win for Israel

I don’t know what happened or who is responsible as whilst the obvious signs are an Israeli attack, if the hospital was a storage facility for explosives, it would likely not take a huge strike to cause immense damage so maybe it was a misfire on the part of the other side
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Old 10-18-2023, 03:26 AM
 
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I support Israel
I support a hard response by Israel following the barbaric savagery of two weekends ago, however. When this military response concludes ( probably months away?). Political engagement must restart and the settlement building must cease , that is indefensible and opposition to it should not be branded anti semitic etc
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Old 10-18-2023, 03:58 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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Propaganda is a key weapon of war, if Hamas can portray Israel as being responsible for this , it’s a massive coup , if Israel can successfully portray jihadis as being responsible, it’s a big propaganda win for Israel

I don’t know what happened or who is responsible as whilst the obvious signs are an Israeli attack, if the hospital was a storage facility for explosives, it would likely not take a huge strike to cause immense damage so maybe it was a misfire on the part of the other side
reports are now coming out about a Hamas operative being recorded saying it was one of theirs that failed and hit the hospital.
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Old 10-18-2023, 04:43 AM
 
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reports are now coming out about a Hamas operative being recorded saying it was one of theirs that failed and hit the hospital.
I didn’t say Israel was responsible, I’m saying within the context of a propaganda war, even Israel wasn’t responsible, there is a huge propaganda opportunity for the other side, basically during war , all details must be studied but unfortunately with today’s instantaneous news culture , there is no time to take a “ wait and see approach “

The additional social media factor makes a crisis like this susceptible to accidentally spiralling out of control
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Old 10-18-2023, 04:47 AM
 
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well it looks like Hamas were responsible not Israel, the reports are still coming out but the recording seems to indicate that is was Hamas's fault.
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