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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.02%
Israel 149 71.98%
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-05-2023, 07:52 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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There hasn’t been a free election in Gaza since 2006, so that’s not fair to say. Hamas has created a dictatorship in that territory and have no intention of stepping down.
no they will be taken down by the IDF.
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Old 11-05-2023, 09:04 AM
 
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I find those protests obnoxious myself for the most part
They are very vocal but a small noisy minority. It's the same crowd that show up for all these far left marches (Defund the Police, etc.). You will see the same faces blocking streets, torching buildings, pulling down statues. It's just the "in" thing for these people.
I think the US population as a whole is till 90% pro-Israel.
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Old 11-05-2023, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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I look at the characters supporting Hamas and the Palestinians (Russia, Iran, racist and antiemetic members of Congress, etc.) and those supporting Israel and know I am on the right side.
I agree. Look at Palestine's allies. Talk about golden company lmao.
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Old 11-05-2023, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Shouldn't Israel and Palestine just be combined into a single secular nation where both peoples are represented in government?



A new captital city could be established to house the government elsewhere and Jerusalem would simply remain a cultiral and religious center for the country. Then maybe the two peoples would stop fighting with each other.
Unfortunately, Hamas charter states that all Jews need to be exterminated. That makes it difficult to have them as immediate neighbors, whether religious or secular.
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Old 11-05-2023, 10:26 AM
 
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Not exactly an accurate statement about the land confiscation, since Israel won those lands in a justified war in 1967.




There is no apartheid in Israel. Israeli Arab citizens and other citizen minorities have full civil rights just like Israeli Jews. The Palestinian Arabs living in Gaza (and the West Bank) are not Israeli citizens and just like in any other country non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens.
I’m referring to settlement building in the past several years
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Old 11-05-2023, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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They have no bed to make. Their choices are limited. Most of them, 98% of them just want to live, have a job, have food and shelter, educate their children.
You can try and see them that way, hear their stories. We all need to make an effort, not lazy declerations.
And so many of them commuted daily to jobs in Israel. It's a shame that Hamas cut off their livelihoods by their terroristic attack on Oct. 7th. But then, they voted Hamas into power. Actions have consequences.
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Old 11-05-2023, 11:10 AM
 
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I’m referring to settlement building in the past several years
In Gaza, there are no Israeli settlements meaning no Israelis have been living there since Gaza was officially vacated under the former PM Ariel Sharon. As for the West Bank, it is a disputed area.
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Old 11-05-2023, 11:17 AM
 
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In Gaza, there are no Israeli settlements meaning no Israelis have been living there since Gaza was officially vacated under the former PM Ariel Sharon. As for the West Bank, it is a disputed area.
The UN has deemed the settlements in the West Bank as illegal
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Old 11-05-2023, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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What has the PLO got to do with it?
Are you serious? They are the internationally recognized government of the Palestinians ever since the Hamas-PLO power struggle that took place after Hamas was elected to govern in 2006; legitimate governments aren’t going to recognize an international terrorist organization in Hamas. Elections cannot take place without the PLO blessing them. Also a full 60% of Palestinians live in the PLO-governed West Bank.

Neither Hamas nor the PLO will hold elections that don’t cover both Gaza and the West Bank as it would destroy both of their claims to be the legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people. Fundamentally, the only elections that the international community would recognize would have to be organized by the internally recognized government of the Palestinians, which as mentioned above is led by the PLO.

For the record, Hamas won quite a few votes in the West Bank back in 2006 as well.

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Old 11-05-2023, 01:53 PM
 
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The UN has deemed the settlements in the West Bank as illegal
That doesn't necessarily mean that it is the case legally. In any case, the main problem in the region are the extremists who won't allow for compromise which includes recognizing the right of Israel to exist.
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