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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.02%
Israel 149 71.98%
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I dont believe the numbers of dead as given by the health ministry which is controlled by Hamas, they could be true but they could also be propaganda, how do they know?
Have you seen gaza lately and the level of devastation, lack of sanitary conditions and lack of resources. It is likely the death toll is higher than reported not lower.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
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so you are concerned about....
See the last sentence of my post above....I think we let her disengage and stop responding to her. It appears there are other things going on with her beyond the scope of this topic.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Pure ideological dogma
yes this type of hard black and white mentality in a nuclear age would not bode well at all for the future of humanity. At all costs we need to destroy the enemy, even if it means our own destruction basically.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:33 AM
 
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yes this type of hard black and white mentality in a nuclear age would not bode well at all for the future of humanity. At all costs we need to destroy the enemy, even if it means our own destruction basically.
About as nuanced as a car bumper sticker

Last edited by elnina; 11-07-2023 at 09:28 AM..
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Oh, now we know:

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Many analysts believe that Gaza is being destroyed and wiped out right now to make way for the construction of this canal, which would bring in billions of dollars a year for Israel (and grant Israel control over its access).
This canal would give the U.S. and Israel control over a key chokepoint in the world for military ships, grain exports, energy and other commodities.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...-palestinians/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_..._Canal_Project
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:43 AM
 
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If that were the case, why did it only begin after Oct. 7? No, we do NOT know until we know the full story from the point of view of BOTH sides. Unless we already want to believe the worst. And a Wikipedia post! Middle East Monitor? Are they a neutral source? Disappointed on many counts, elnina.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:40 AM
 
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If that were the case, why did it only begin after Oct. 7? No, we do NOT know until we know the full story from the point of view of BOTH sides. Unless we already want to believe the worst. And a Wikipedia post! Middle East Monitor? Are they a neutral source? Disappointed on many counts, elnina.
Elnina, thank you for the links. Informative. Now we know indeed.

Seems more legit than many other news sources.
Middle East Monitor
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So, what do we do at MEMO?
We provide a focused and comprehensive coverage of Palestine, and its regional neighbours
We do so by gathering news through our extensive networks of partner organisations and correspondents on the ground
Not only do our readers enjoy up-to-date reporting, through our network of contributors, we also publish carefully reasoned commentaries rooted in factual evidence
We are also an essential point of reference for journalists, researchers, human rights organisations and NGOs
Here at MEMO, we recognise that official policy is often informed and defined by the nature of media coverage. As such, we regularly interface with politicians, editors, lobby groups and various other stakeholders to facilitate a better understanding and appreciation of the Palestine issue.

Middle East Monitor is owned and operated by Ardi Associates Ltd.
Wikipedia is a legit source for information. It provides sources, data, links, and monitors the entries. It is non-profit. It may not be the source for deeper understanding for certain subjects, but for current events it most certainly is and one can choose to delve further. It does not misdirect, spread misinformation, or lie.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:47 AM
 
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On whose authority did the Brits declare it?
The British Government authorized it as Chaim Weizmann had helped the British war effort during WW1. After WW1, the League of Nations gave Great Britain a mandate over the area, in order to form eventually the Jewish homeland there.


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The Jewish people who moved to the area engaged in violence in order to clear the area of Arabs , surely you don’t deny this ?

Some did buy land from the ottomans but I’m referring to the few decades prior to 1948
First of all, there were Jews throughout the centuries in the 4 holy cities of Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberius and Hebron. In 1929 the Jewish community of Hebron was eliminated after they were attacked by the local Arabs. This Jewish community was only restored after 1967.

Prior to 1948, Jews purchased land from the locals during the Ottoman as well as the British periods. No land was taken by force. When the British left, the Jews were forced to protect themselves from the militaries of all the Arab countries that invaded the newly established Jewish state. The Arabs' goal was to destroy the new country. Not only that didn't happen, Israel gained/won land in a war of defense.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:53 AM
 
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Until then no country called Israel existed.

So Palestine was homeland for a diversity of people.



Why do you suppose the Arab population fled? Since that time their lives have been one of imprisonment and oppression.

There was a country called Israel in Biblical times. Read your Bible!

Currently, approx. 20% of Israel's population isn't Jewish and these people have full citizenship rights just like the Jewish citizens. (See video in link below.)

The Arab population fled in 1948 upon the instruction of Arab leaders outside of Israel. Watch the video of Yousef Haddad an Israeli Christian Arab who mentions that his grandfather decided not to listen to those instructions to leave in 1948. (See the video in the link below.)

https://youtu.be/35wmNIQM2nI?si=woEHkpuvK307SsHm
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Old 11-07-2023, 11:00 AM
 
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There was a country called Israel in Biblical times. Read your Bible!

Currently, approx. 20% of Israel's population isn't Jewish and these people have full citizenship rights just like the Jewish citizens. (See video in link below.)

The Arab population fled in 1948 upon the instruction of Arab leaders outside of Israel. Watch the video of Yousef Haddad an Israeli Christian Arab who mentions that his grandfather decided not to listen to those instructions to leave in 1948. (See the video in the link below.)

https://youtu.be/35wmNIQM2nI?si=woEHkpuvK307SsHm
The Bible is not my source for history and politics. History and Politics is.
There was no such country in 1948 until Ben Gurion declared it.
There are plenty of first person stories that narrate the horrors the inhabitants suffered when the Zionists stole their land and drove them out of their homes that they had lived in for generations. I can quote sources if your interested. Many still do and also tell their stories of the horrors they endure today. The whole world knows. Truth will always out.
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