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Old 07-05-2021, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Various
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The label of conservative/right wing is pretty much useless these days.

From my perspective, the big difference in the USA is far great religious observance, and an amazing acceptance/belief that their Constitution and Political system is infallible and the greatest available, and that it provides them with untold freedoms not available elsewhere. These things combined lead to a very strong desire among many to "conserve" these institutions. This inherently bleeds into politics of course.
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Old 07-05-2021, 03:05 AM
 
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The UK, Canada, Israel and some others have very high vaccination rates. Comparing with the USA, can be regarded as more conservative and less divided societies.
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[b]Then in the UK the government seems more involved in people's life. Each time I watch British youtubers they always talk about the NHS.

What do you guys think?
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Old 07-05-2021, 05:38 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Except the stats don't show that.

82.46 percent of Americans live in cities and urban areas.

81.48 in Canada

86.2 in Australia.

So per capita I doubt that more population live in the " bread baskets " of each country.

Honestly, then, I don't know what that poster could have meant, except to think that Canada and Australia don't have " bread basket " regions.

After all, I did read here on CD that one American poster thought Canada had to import all it's food since it so cold, not realizing that Canada is a major food exporter.

We will hear from that poster I'm sure, but my guess is that the power of conservatism in the US has more to do with their system.
I was thinking more in terms of total area. More than 900 million acres of the United States is farmland and 97% of the nation’s land area is rural.

Maybe the population is more spread into these areas which is a reason for more conservative views. Even a lot of suburbs extend pretty far out from city centers.
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Old 07-05-2021, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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The UK has had a conservative government since 2010, and is a fairly conservative nation.

Whilst traditional Labour seats have been won by the the conservatives in recent elections, which is the equivalent of republicans winning staunch democrat areas.
I believe it.

But your definition of "conservative" as a Brit is very different from that of a right-wing Republican. I think you and I have talked about this before.

I assume you're a conservative in the UK. But I also assume you wouldn't want to give up the NHS (you don't consider it "communist"), nor would you be a proponent of, say, open carry (?).
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Old 07-05-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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I think the poster might be talking about population, not areas. Of course Australia is huge and is leading exporter of all kinds of agricultural products and materials, however 66% of the voters in Australia live in 4 cities (If you count Brisbane/Gold Coast as a single City), the voters in those cities are very influential on the overall result Across Australia, much more so than the combined voters in New York, LA, Chicago and Huston are in US elections.
Exactly, in 2016 Trump lost just about every big top 20 City, and still won the election. Big cities are far more politically powerful in Australia or Canada.
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Old 07-05-2021, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I was thinking more in terms of total area. More than 900 million acres of the United States is farmland and 97% of the nation’s land area is rural.

Maybe the population is more spread into these areas which is a reason for more conservative views. Even a lot of suburbs extend pretty far out from city centers.
97 percent of the land may be rural, but the population isn't. Land does't have political alliances

As it has been pointed out, Canada does have a " bread basket " area, where fewer people live, and yes they tend to be more conservative.

I believe this to be, because they have less real life exposure to people that are different them, and don't have face to face conversations with people who would challenge some of their beliefs.

IMO though, this is changing, at least in Canada. Many small prairie towns are much more diverse than they were.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:50 AM
 
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I agree with you to an extend. The US is in fact unique among most nations in the world. I would add that I like the US, unlike many people. Having talked to many people they find it bizarre that guns are widespread and allowed but things like social safety nets or public transportation are seen as "socialism."Or that the drinking age is 21 and there's a lot of moralistic attitudes towards parties, drinking or sexual topics.

I'd like to add that "censorship" might be a bit tricky nowadays. It seems that there's "progressives" in the US who don't like ideas they deem as "too offensive" and will try to cancel them or boycott, whoever, supports it. Meanwhile, in Europe some of these ideas might go unnoticed and people won't care.
The uniqueness is in regards to the flow of power and rights:
United States:
Creator (as in "inalienable rights") ➵ People ➵ Government
Other constitutions:
Government (representative of the people) ➵ People

The "progressive" movement in the US isn't really progressive, it's an attempt to emulate European governments where the state dictates what a person should do or not do, all for the "greater good". Socialism is a strong label in the US that borders on hysterical I agree, but really it simply means more government control. It conflicts with the underlying principles of the US, that they state has no right in controlling it's people (to a certain degree, as I mentioned the 'sliding scale'). Remember that whenever you give the government power to manage affairs of a person, even if the intention is honorable, you take some personal freedom away.

Of course, with personal freedom comes personal responsibility. I think think the latter is what is lacking more and more in the US, the failure of personal responsibility, but that is a topic for another time.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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The US is in fact unique among most nations in the world.
Origin of the name Emmett.
https://www.metacafe.com/watch/12227...e-name-emmett/
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I believe it.

But your definition of "conservative" as a Brit is very different from that of a right-wing Republican. I think you and I have talked about this before.

I assume you're a conservative in the UK. But I also assume you wouldn't want to give up the NHS (you don't consider it "communist"), nor would you be a proponent of, say, open carry (?).
There have been traditionally two wings of the conservative party, the more moderate wing or one nation Conservatives who support the consensus, and the more right wing Conservatives.

The term wets for one nation conservatives and dry for more radical right wing elements of the party is still often used, although the Conservatives are not far right, like many political parties in Europe.

The Tory Right or Dries have more resemblance to the Republican Party, however the Conservative Party since Margaret Thatcher has drifted back to being a one nation party, and political extremes whether left or right don't usually win favour in the UK, precisely because the country is very conservative, and doesn't seek such radical change.

Wets and dries - Wikipedia

The very definition of conservative is averse to change and holding traditional values, but balancing free enterprise with morality and socially traditional ideas which benefit society such as welfare and universal healthcare.

In terms of the more far righ wing parties in Europe, they often support patriotism, traditional values and national cohesion, and this includes statism, with fascism and communism being two variants of statism.

Far Right countries are often quite similar to communist ones in many ways, with a ruling elite controlling many elements of life, and much of the country under Government control.

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Old 07-06-2021, 08:21 PM
 
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The uniqueness is in regards to the flow of power and rights:
United States:
Creator (as in "inalienable rights") ➵ People ➵ Government
Other constitutions:
Government (representative of the people) ➵ People
.
Your rights are no greater, nor any better protected than the other countries. I understand that most Americans believe what you have written, because it is rammed into the consciousness from an early age, but the reality is there no practical difference.

Your "inalienable" rights are managed by men and women, democratically elected, just like in the UK, Canada or Australia.

People will often say, there is no 1st amendment, or bill of rights in Australia for example, in the belief that this means there is no freedom of speech etc. This is simply false. They are just achieved via different mechanisms. Mechanisms that like in the US, are controlled by elected politicians and Courts.

As I said in an earlier post, this "belief" that you and many others hold, together with a far greater religious observance, are the key differences and drivers of relative conservatism between the countries.
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