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Old 07-27-2021, 01:41 AM
 
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This is particularly in reference to the mixed race nature of American society, and what other people, and Americans, see America as in relation to other nations in regards to “diversity”.

After engaging in discussions about racism in America and the phenomenon of other nationalities from whiter countries commenting on it, it seems to me that there is a reluctance on all sides to just outright point out that the US simply isn’t a “white country” like the UK or Canada or even Argentina is. We spend a lot of time talking about how mixed race countries like Argentina and even the UK are, but somehow, there’s a reluctance to admit that the US is more multiracial than these places…why?

Then there’s the issue of the black population in the US…we seem to persist in 1) constantly insisting that the African American population is not an integrated or integral part of American society at all and 2) downplaying the unique presence of an African population in America, by pretending like the black populations of much whiter countries are comparable, or by trying to minimize the black American population in some respect.

For example, we’re allowed to talk about “how many black people there are in Brazil” in the context of global diversity discussions, using inflated numbers of “African Brazilians” that come from repeated rigorous surveys of genetics in parts of the Brazilian population, as well as more comprehensive racial castes in Brazil, but mostly just because of issues of demarcation, we somehow come to the conclusion that the African American population in the US has grown to 50 million self-identified “African Americans”, and that there’s somehow been no or almost no ethnic mixing to produce that - it doesn’t make sense to me. How do you come to that conclusion?

I find Europeans and Americans to be kind of myopic and deliberately ignorant when it comes to the racial diversity of American society - there seems to be a lot of narratives about race in America regarding the presence or lack thereof of multiracial people that we just accept as true even if it goes against common sense.

It doesn’t seem like America is allowed to assert the uniqueness of it’s culture as one that has been a mix-up of various European and African folkways because no one wants to acknowledge the racial diversity of the US - unless they can separate “African American” culture as something that isn’t really American. I find it ignorant and kind of insulting.
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Old 07-27-2021, 10:06 AM
 
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I should note that it seems there’s always more of an emphasis placed by foreigners on “the undercounting of British ancestry” in the American population, so the discussion of diversity ends up being wrapped up in emphasizing the British ethnic element of American society in a seeming attempt to downplay American ethnic diversity on top of everything else. This branch of the discussion seems to come from British people who want to associate American culture with the British, or else dismiss American culture or diversity in some way, so that they can better make generalizations about American society.

So Australia and Canada and Brazil are, ridiculously, allowed to assert their allegedly colorful European and multiracial diversity and Americans aren’t, because foreigners are eager to 1) Downplay the multiracial aspect of American society and 2) Over-emphasize British ancestry in specific regards to the US in an effort to dismiss American ethnic diversity.

The world just doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge there is anything but white British people with an ostracized smattering of 100% black Africans in America. It’s laughable.
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:33 AM
 
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This is particularly in reference to the mixed race nature of American society, and what other people, and Americans, see America as in relation to other nations in regards to “diversity”.

After engaging in discussions about racism in America and the phenomenon of other nationalities from whiter countries commenting on it, it seems to me that there is a reluctance on all sides to just outright point out that the US simply isn’t a “white country” like the UK or Canada or even Argentina is. We spend a lot of time talking about how mixed race countries like Argentina and even the UK are, but somehow, there’s a reluctance to admit that the US is more multiracial than these places…why?

Then there’s the issue of the black population in the US…we seem to persist in 1) constantly insisting that the African American population is not an integrated or integral part of American society at all and 2) downplaying the unique presence of an African population in America, by pretending like the black populations of much whiter countries are comparable, or by trying to minimize the black American population in some respect.

For example, we’re allowed to talk about “how many black people there are in Brazil” in the context of global diversity discussions, using inflated numbers of “African Brazilians” that come from repeated rigorous surveys of genetics in parts of the Brazilian population, as well as more comprehensive racial castes in Brazil, but mostly just because of issues of demarcation, we somehow come to the conclusion that the African American population in the US has grown to 50 million self-identified “African Americans”, and that there’s somehow been no or almost no ethnic mixing to produce that - it doesn’t make sense to me. How do you come to that conclusion?

I find Europeans and Americans to be kind of myopic and deliberately ignorant when it comes to the racial diversity of American society - there seems to be a lot of narratives about race in America regarding the presence or lack thereof of multiracial people that we just accept as true even if it goes against common sense.

It doesn’t seem like America is allowed to assert the uniqueness of it’s culture as one that has been a mix-up of various European and African folkways because no one wants to acknowledge the racial diversity of the US - unless they can separate “African American” culture as something that isn’t really American. I find it ignorant and kind of insulting.
live in usa for 23 years but what is it with usa and race constantly there is no blacks in tis field we got to change that or here. will america ever recogniyze and thank and agnolage that inthose field this or tht race have beat expectations and were remarcable.why does black have t be involved as a defult. that is why america is racialy tense coutry blacks expect to be thanked for these days NOTHING it is just they demand to be thanked for nothing they created or influenced and other races should take back seat. now culture in usa what culture that blacks have RAP and what else.
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:50 AM
 
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This is particularly in reference to the mixed race nature of American society, and what other people, and Americans, see America as in relation to other nations in regards to “diversity”.

After engaging in discussions about racism in America and the phenomenon of other nationalities from whiter countries commenting on it, it seems to me that there is a reluctance on all sides to just outright point out that the US simply isn’t a “white country” like the UK or Canada or even Argentina is. We spend a lot of time talking about how mixed race countries like Argentina and even the UK are, but somehow, there’s a reluctance to admit that the US is more multiracial than these places…why?

Then there’s the issue of the black population in the US…we seem to persist in 1) constantly insisting that the African American population is not an integrated or integral part of American society at all and 2) downplaying the unique presence of an African population in America, by pretending like the black populations of much whiter countries are comparable, or by trying to minimize the black American population in some respect.

For example, we’re allowed to talk about “how many black people there are in Brazil” in the context of global diversity discussions, using inflated numbers of “African Brazilians” that come from repeated rigorous surveys of genetics in parts of the Brazilian population, as well as more comprehensive racial castes in Brazil, but mostly just because of issues of demarcation, we somehow come to the conclusion that the African American population in the US has grown to 50 million self-identified “African Americans”, and that there’s somehow been no or almost no ethnic mixing to produce that - it doesn’t make sense to me. How do you come to that conclusion?

I find Europeans and Americans to be kind of myopic and deliberately ignorant when it comes to the racial diversity of American society - there seems to be a lot of narratives about race in America regarding the presence or lack thereof of multiracial people that we just accept as true even if it goes against common sense.

It doesn’t seem like America is allowed to assert the uniqueness of it’s culture as one that has been a mix-up of various European and African folkways because no one wants to acknowledge the racial diversity of the US - unless they can separate “African American” culture as something that isn’t really American. I find it ignorant and kind of insulting.
Oh boy, here we go.
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:51 AM
 
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live in usa for 23 years but what is it with usa and race constantly there is no blacks in tis field we got to change that or here. will america ever recogniyze and thank and agnolage that inthose field this or tht race have beat expectations and were remarcable.why does black have t be involved as a defult. that is why america is racialy tense coutry blacks expect to be thanked for these days NOTHING it is just they demand to be thanked for nothing they created or influenced and other races should take back seat. now culture in usa what culture that blacks have RAP and what else.
African American culture is hugely influential to American culture. Rap, Jazz, Rock, hip hop and modern dance, the blues and r&b, myriad electronic genres, the Harlem Renaissance and civil rights, multicultural philosophy, pre-war and post-war subcultures like the Hepcats and the Beatniks, sporting tradition in Basketball and now Football has heavy African American cultural influence, religious elements like Gospel song, Voodoo and Hoodoo, Black Baptist and Muslim sects, dialectal influence on American English, cuisinal elements like soul food, low country, cajun and creole, and loads of modern fashion conventions, like hip hop style, casual, sportswear, anti-fashion, all of this stuff came about as a result of African influence, and African American-European cultural mixture in the US.
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Old 07-27-2021, 12:02 PM
 
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Americans have only recognized mixed race for two generations before that we single drop ruled folks to the known or perceived race that was lower on the social political scale.

It was a social norm which made it acceptable for slave owning rapist to sell their own children
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Old 07-27-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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African American culture is hugely influential to American culture. Rap, Jazz, Rock, hip hop and modern dance, the blues and r&b, myriad electronic genres, the Harlem Renaissance and civil rights, multicultural philosophy, pre-war and post-war subcultures like the Hepcats and the Beatniks, sporting tradition in Basketball and now Football has heavy African American cultural influence, religious elements like Gospel song, Voodoo and Hoodoo, Black Baptist and Muslim sects, dialectal influence on American English, cuisinal elements like soul food, low country, cajun and creole, and loads of modern fashion conventions, like hip hop style, casual, sportswear, anti-fashion, all of this stuff came about as a result of African influence, and African American-European cultural mixture in the US.
rock lol where are thexy in rock. what other culture in world do people gie them credit for.american black stole everybodies culture. priests lol seriously what culture do they have that is worth talking about
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Old 07-27-2021, 01:33 PM
 
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Why do Americans care so much about skin color and ancestries?

It sounds like Americans have a perpetual identity crisis.

Plus, what is this American obsession with trying to make Europe = USA when it comes to race.

Does it ever dawn on Americans that Europe has its own diversity, its own way of doing things?
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:42 PM
 
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Why do Americans care so much about skin color and ancestries?

It sounds like Americans have a perpetual identity crisis.

Plus, what is this American obsession with trying to make Europe = USA when it comes to race.

Does it ever dawn on Americans that Europe has its own diversity, its own way of doing things?
Have you ever lived in the U.S. for any length of time? Have you lived in any of its crime-ridden cities? Would you like to spend some time in Baltimore, St. Louis, or Chicago?

The U.S. isn't trying to make "Europe = USA" when it comes to race.

Which diversity are you referring to in Europe? Native European diversity, which is considerable, or imported diversity, which is crammed down the throats of Swedish, French, German, and UK native Europeans?

What's keeping you from your "underrated paradise" of Mozambique?
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:46 PM
 
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rock lol where are thexy in rock. what other culture in world do people gie them credit for.american black stole everybodies culture. priests lol seriously what culture do they have that is worth talking about
If you think African American influence wasn’t crucial to rock, then you know absolutely nothing about the history and cultural geography of rock music and pop music in general.

Everyone knows modern pop music, and rock music, came from the melding of African and Northwestern European folkways in the American south. Everyone. Where have YOU been?
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