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Old 10-04-2021, 01:08 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's stupid to compare to the rest of the world. The rest of the world are mostly very poor third world countries.


Except that is not true at all. Social expenditure as % of GDP in both Taiwan and Singapore is like 10%, which is extremely low. Countries with strong welfare state like France, Belgium, Austria, Germany, or Scandinavia spend more than 30%. Government doesn't take care of the poor or the unemployed. If you are poor you are ****ed. If you are unemployed you starve. No one's paying taxes to feed them like many Europeans do.

Did not realize you're posting in the World forum? What did you think the comparison was supposed to be?

Total percentage of expenditure does not necessarily mean the same thing as feeding the poor and unemployed nor was it what the OP asked, and it does not change that by just about all major quality of life indices, Taiwan and Singapore do well and if you want to see the poor get ****ed or the unemployed starve there are a lot of places willing to put up a much better show. You're just a crank about things. Anything really.
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Did not realize you're posting in the World forum? What did you think the comparison was supposed to be?

Total percentage of expenditure does not necessarily mean the same thing as feeding the poor and unemployed nor was it what the OP asked, and it does not change that by just about all major quality of life indices, Taiwan and Singapore do well and if you want to see the poor get ****ed or the unemployed starve there are a lot of places willing to put up a much better show. You're just a crank about things. Anything really.
I am simply pointing out that to claim Taiwan and Singapore had strong social safety net is incredibly misleading.
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Old 10-04-2021, 07:55 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I am simply pointing out that to claim Taiwan and Singapore had strong social safety net is incredibly misleading.

They do have strong social safety nets. There are countries that have stronger ones in some sense, but there are a lot more that have weaker ones. One thing to also note is that having an incentives system that takes care of the disabled, the young, and senior but otherwise forces the able adult to work is not necessarily a weak social safety net. After all, the OP specifically cited care for seniors and disabled. Having a fairly low VAT means not having as much money to spend within the government, but also means less of a regressive tax burden. I think simply having higher proportional expenditure on specific items can be misleading and what is more important is to look at quality of life indices.
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Old 10-04-2021, 08:09 AM
 
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Hail to Mongolia, the biggest world power. Only an independent Greenland might stop its global rule.
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Old 10-04-2021, 10:37 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Polar climates! I somehow doubt it:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_climate
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